Thu 19 Jan 2006
The section I am discussing starts on page 69.
As part of the Diversity Initiatives Self Study, Paula Moore Tabor, Associate Director of Alumni Relations, writes about
1. “How the undergraduate experience for many students of color is less rewarding than it is for their White counterparts,”
2. That “this sense of dissatisfaction lowers the desire of minority alumni to re-engage with Williams, particularly without the support of other graduates of color,”
3. And how “affinity connections after graduation help to promote reconciliation.”
As a current undergraduate, I cannot confirm or deny her basic assumption for (2); anecdotal evidence from graduates, upon the question of whether minority alumni are indeed “less likely” to re-engage with Williams, is welcome.
Of course, this is not really an argument, since 1 and 2 do not lead to 3. There is little evidence cited that these affinity networks in fact help alumni “of color” to feel less indifferent to Williams. Nor is it even argued that this Balkanization is the way to go for the future. We are meant to draw this conclusion on the basis of a few successful race-based alumni reunions.
I believe that Tabor is basically correct about (1) and (2), although her style of argument makes it hard to take these issues seriously. I will comment on a few of the claims that struck me as particularly remarkable. For example:
Both quantitative and anecdotal evidence support the fact that many students of color at Williams are less satisfied with their undergraduate experience than their White counterparts.
Yet, at no point in the report is any such quantitative evidence cited. To take another example:
Assumptions are made by Whites that [students of color] are segregating and “Balkanizing” themselves from Whites, or “don’t like Whites.” The reality is people find comfort in associating with their own kind.
Here in the 21st century, we have an educated and intelligent person presuming that people who share the same race are somehow all of the same “kind.” Skin color is apparently an important determinant of personality, and segregation is acceptable.
Tabor goes on to draw rather racist and ignorant stereotypes about White students at Williams, characterizing them as “people who learn about race and culture via the television sitcom and MTV.” She claims that White students
can graduate from Williams having never increased their breadth of cultural competency, thus limiting them to engaging in an ignorant and faulty belief system throughout their tenure at the College. It is also easy for White students to interact exclusively with other Caucasians, never having to concern themselves with multiculturalism much less celebrate it.
Though Tabor may prefer to view White students through such stereotypes, I see no evidence for this opinion apart from her prejudiced belief in White guilt.
On the one hand, Tabor excuses minority students who self-segregate (they are merely “associating with their own kind”), while, on the other hand, she criticizes the entire body of White students for not celebrating multiculturalism.
There is a patronizing sentiment all through the report which Rudyard Kipling would have recognized. It is the “White man’s burden” to make things aright. Minority students are presumed to be helpless poor depressed victims of the system; they must be supported by the administration and psychologists. White students, on the other hand, must take the responsibility for pluralism into their own hands.
As an example of the majority’s racism, Tabor describes a professor telling a minority student “that she can’t write and he can’t believe she got into Williams.” Note the absence of any actual racism in this example.
I find it most objectionable that Tabor treats Williams as if there are precisely two communities: White and Colored. The underlying assumption seems to be that all “colored” people are homogeneous, and have some deep connection to other “colored” people. Hence,
There are whispers in the dorm room and in the classroom that Juanita doesn’t belong here, and she is only “taking the place of a more qualified White applicant.” There is no psychologist of color on staff when times get tough or enough faculty who are seasoned in cultural competency to make a difference. There are only a handful of faculty and staff of color who are already over-burdened with responsibility
I’m from India. Tabor presumes that a Black psychologist from Chicago who went to Harvard somehow has a more valid perspective on my issues than a White psychologist from the same town and school. Most of the world’s population is non-white (colored). I do not see how lumping Chinese and Indians and Venezuelans and Senegalese together in one group is helpful; nor do I see why any random colored psychologist is a better psychologist for a non-white student.
The claimed whispers about Juanita are, in the precise sense of the term, bullshit. Harry Frankfort defines bullshit as a statement which has no relationship to truth or falsehood, but only seeks to affect others. This anecdote about whispering white students is meant to make us feel guilty about racism at Williams, and sorry for poor Juanita. However, such whispers are not a significant part of the Williams College that I know. I could not imagine the typically liberal Williams student uttering such sentiments; were any reprobate to even suggest such a thing, he would be quickly scolded and corrected by his peers.
Perhaps such whispering used to happen decades ago. If so, it is no longer relevant or accurate. But I feel that Tabor and many others do not particularly care whether or not this anecdote is true. No matter what the actual state of undergraduate life, some will never be satisfied. They will insist on imagining a world of racial division and alienation. Their statements have no relationship to truth or falsity.
Furthermore, I am not sure what is meant by the statement that there are not “enough faculty who are seasoned in cultural competency to make a difference.” “Cultural competency” seems, at worst, to be meaningless jargon. Assuming that we all come from unique and different life-experiences, the main factor in being culturally competent is the ability to relate to other human beings regardless of prejudices, and to treat them with dignity and respect as unique individuals. Needless to say, there are plenty of Williams faculty capable of doing this.
There is plenty more where this came from - I have only picked up on a few of the problematic points. The rest of Tabor’s report is a summary of official glories - how various networks of race-specific alumni have been formed - followed by the tenuous claim that such networks are the best way to keep colored alumni involved with Williams.
I fundamentally agree with Tabor that minority students are often alienated and frustrated with life at Williams; I think that they may well be less likely to appreciate their time at Williams after graduation. However, her analysis of the cause is misguided. The rhetoric employed is the most simplistic form of race-baiting: Whites are ignorant and stupid, and “Coloreds” are helpless victims.
In truth, the cause of segregation and alienation runs much deeper than anything that can be blamed on individuals at Williams. Williams is a microcosm of a larger society. As the country has progressed in the last few decades, so have Williams students. I suspect that bureaucratic “Diversity Initiatives” have had very little to do with progress, either in the country at large or within Williams. Times have changed, and race relations are now much better than they were in the past, although many difficulties remain. Progress is slow and painful and rarely within the control of grandiose consultants’ reports and initiatives. Progress is not produced by SPARC workshops. If colored students are still alienated from white students at Williams, it is a symptom of the fact that they will experience such alienation in the world beyond Williams.
It is not helpful to exacerbate such alienation by describing fictional and fantastic situations of racism. Personally, my hope is that we will someday forget all about race. Diversity Initiatives that focus on race, and identify everybody as either “white” or “colored,” are part of the problem. It does not help anything to publish a report that merely complains about (real or imagined) instances of racism, and suggests further racial segregation (among the alumni community) as a solution. The consciousness of race itself is poisonous to our hopes for a united human society.
I presume our goal is to live in a world where race does not matter, where only character matters. If so, we must stop viewing society through the lens of race, perceiving every slight as a possible racial assault (as in the case of the professor telling a minority student that she can’t write), organizing reunions and parties and relationships only on the basis of race. Assigning importance to racial differences in everyday life is offensive to humanism and individualism.
It seems as if Tabor was called upon to write something about the Alumni Relations office in relation to Diversity. In response, she assembled a string of platitudinous anecdotes (1) and a summary of bureaucratic achievements (2), all meant to convey the impression that the Alumni Relations office cares and contributes when it comes to the sacred issue of Diversity; furthermore, the Alumni Relations office has a great plan for the future - we can apparently raise more money and volunteers from minority alumni if we divide up the alumni community by race, and address each race individually. Because it would presumably be too difficult not to pigeonhole people.
EDIT: If you have trouble accessing the online report, email me (ronitb at gmail.com) and I’ll be glad to help you get access.
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To amplify Ronit’s comments (which I totally agree with), I think one problem with general assertions about minorities on campus is that, even if there was some empiracle evidence cited to back it up, it has not (as far as I now) been studied in a systematic way to see if race is really the root cause. Hypothetically, for example, students with lower family incomes may be less happy at Williams and less engaged as alums: certainly a fair hypothesis, considering the concentration of privileged kids at Williams or any of its peers, and the fact that these folks have less family money to fall back on, making donations as alums more difficult. If minority status and income status are correlated, who is to say which is the cause for root dissatisfaction / lower participation?
Similar with other arenas. It’s certainly fair to hypothesize that students with lower gpa’s, on average, are less satisfied with Williams and have more stress. I recall being on a committee at Williams discussing the root cause of certain groups having lower gpa’s. Every person on the committee blamed all of the factors mentioned by the report cited above. Not a single person even suggested that lower gpa’s could possibly correlate to different admissions qualifications for certain groups, or different levels of secondary preparation if those groups are coming from different types of learning environment. Again, I don’t think we have sufficient info to know the answer, especially not via anecdotes like “a bunch of black kids were watching tons of TV.” Believe me, that problem is not unique to black students at Williams!
The problem with racial generalization is that, once you start, you have to take the good with the bad. I, too, found programs like summer science and special diversity orientation to create divisions where they might otherwise not have existed. If you want to create a pre-college science program for kids who attended poor schools, that is great — if you create a program that only invites minority kids (including some I knew with tons of cash and ridiculous SAT’s who certainly did not need any edge to succeed) what is that going to make other kids on campus feel like? Same with mandatory diversity programs and trainings and segregated orientations pushed at the very start of school (I think some of this has been dropped, in particular the special orientation, but I could be wrong). I think having those resources available in abundance is critical — I am all for multicultural events, centers, support, etc., all the better when it is student-initiated. But when the administration preaches the gospel of race and categorizes people based on race from the beginning of their education, it is only natural that students will follow the lead. Better to teach people with honey by having interesting events, speakers, debates that they will want to attend w/out being forced or guilted into it.
In academic arenas, a little different. There are plenty of good pedagogical reasons, outside of mere skin color, to study non-western cultures or take classes outside of the canon.
AGain, the problem is when the administration contributes to balkanization of students and alums by race by emphasizing differences rather than commonalities. Believe me, by a huge factor, the black and latino kids at Williams and the white kids at Williams have a LOT more in common (by a factor of 1000’s) than high school drop outs who happen to be of the same race: all are high achievers, motivated, intelligent, and by choosing Williams, have self-segregated into a rural, intense sort of environment.
One other issue that, like Ronit, I have with the report is the blanket statement about students of color. I would bet that different racial groups, among students of color, have very different experiences (on the average) as students and alums.
I think the best approach in this area is like the best approach in most areas of college life: focus on selecting the most talented, enthusiastic, and diverse (in every way) group of kids possible (at the same time, choose people who the committed thinks will actually thrive at Williams and fit in to campus culture), put them together randomly, and let them figure it out. I think the students will perform far better than they would in a micro-manages environment. After all, we’re not only all human, we’re all Ephs. And Williams can’t be all things to all people — with a small liberal arts school, there is some necessary trade-off of community in favor of catering to every possible type of person (aka, an avid clubber would probably hate Williams.) And I don’t mean every type of race, because there are plenty of every color who will undoubtedly love Williams.
surprise, surprise, but i disagree. but i don’t have much time and won’t for at least a week, so you’ll have to accept the shortened version of what I would have liked to write. which is not short at all. and i’m going to be late for class. and i meander. oh well.
First, I really appreciated Paula’s report, mostly because it spoke of actual experiences. There’s a real value to the quantitative and larger understanding of racial diversity issues, but at the same time, outside of the piece on alumni diversity, I don’t recall a mention of specific examples of students feeling underserved by the school. it seems really odd that it took the alumni portion to give that type of example.
I’ll pick out a couple points from the above statements to give examples of my disagreements instead of writing the full response (I have class in about thirty minutes and it takes 15 to get there). First, the quantitative data, though Paula does not give it, is indeed a widely accepted fact about Williams: at graduation, minority students generally rate their happiness with the Williams experience lower than Whites. She probably did not mention that in detail because she did not do the survey and everyone in the administration knows that it is true.
Paula’s discussion of self-segregation is an important one, and one I have had to explain at least three times in large settings at Williams, and just Tuesday went to a forum at Penn that addressed the same issue. The idea is not that minorities are all of “one kind” as many will sit at one table, and others at another, but that sharing the minority experience at Williams is a common link that connects them, for good or ill. What is more interesting is that whenever self-segregation is brought up (except this time), it seems that the argument is that minorities don’t like whites, and the white student role in self-segregation is not discussed. Shoot, I wrote one of my first columns in the Record about this (though i don’t quite agree with myself now. I was a little too naive, but roughly on point) fact. Sharing “race” is a proximate of sharing “kind”, kind does not mean personality nor race. probably a bad word choice, but not the central point of her paragraph (i’d have used “shared experience”). that paragraph was to point out the amount of “balkanization” that is blamed on minorities, but has at least as strong, if not stronger, white component.
this is nothing like Kipling. i don’t quite know what to say beyond that, I’m at a loss of words. Unlike Kipling, who wants whites to teach others, Paula is arguing for whites to teach themselves. it is, in that sense, indeed “the white man’s burden” to figure out how to make a white institution more multicultural (of course, this does not mena don’t listen to minorities or take all the positions of leadership, but rather that the white people do have a duty to do the bulk of the legwork). sorry, but we’re the dominant group and we need to be a lot more active, not by ourselves, but we need to take the lead in getting our act together, not follow some minority who tells us how to act. it should not be a minority’s burden to educate white people.
two more, then i’ll be done, though i have a whole lot more on my mind, so this is all getting a little convoluted:
1. the lack of cultural competency in some corners of the faculty was the main reason the initiatives were created. The art department incident being one example. But many of the complaints that came in to the school after that incident were of students (and many of these came through alumni relations as they are one of the safer administrative bodies for many alumni to deal with) and alumni speaking about professors singling them out in class for being a minority or a woman. I’ll give one example. A close friend was in a class in which Jamaican and Italian organized crime were being compared. One white student said that the Jamaicans were not organized crime because “they’re all crackheads.” My friend, a Jamaican, looked stricken hours later. The professor said nothing. The rest of the class said nothing. Now, the student most likely just chose his words badly (though I’m told there’s no proof that the Jamaican crime heads were/are druggies), but that fits into quite a whole bunch of racial thought: blacks use drugs, blacks get addicted to crack, blacks are less organized, blacks are less intellingent, etc. A professor with adequate “cultural competency” would have seen the comment’s problems and would have addressed that. Rather, my friend was in shock. When she told a group of us, I was in shock–not surprised by that particular professor failing to pick up the nuance there–because so many of the other students hearing the story (predominantly minority) had already heard or experienced such things and seemed upset, yes, but not surprised.
2. please, stop setting up straw men. SPARC was not mentioned in Paula’s piece, for example. She says nothing about workshops. She says nothing about specific program. Instead, she wrote of examples of minority student alienation from the school experience. You argue that alienation comes from before Williams. I agree that most of the work of alienation is likely done before Williams, but, at the same time, I’d ask: if one is so alienated before Williams, how’d you end up at an elite institution? Oppositional culture theories don’t work here, but ideas like stereotype threat do. As you point out, Williams is a self-segregated institution, it is also in sociological terms a nearly “total institution”, having its students there 24/7 for most of the year. As such, it is no “microcosm of society”, but rather takes students from society who come with baggage of all sorts. But to throw up one’s hand and say “well, we are what we are” is to deny the transformative power of education. You don’t go quite that far, but you get close with some of your comments.
I cannot fault the process through which David asked for participants in this exercise in Williams diversity initiative bashing (and, indeed, i’ve done my share of bashing from the left) as he did invite me to participate as a discussant. As such, it is a shame that it has seemed so negative, so conservative, and almost as one-sided as David constantly reminds us he thinks . I doubt my one post would have done anything, but it is a shame that out of this month, I’ll be left asking the question I’ve been asking from the beginning: what creative things can/will Williams do to change the environment for the better?
it would be wrong of me to end with that question without at least one example of these ideas. i like seeing bolin as a seeding device. i also think williams could offer a post-doc for similar things. i think (I can’t remember if i posted about this) there is a chance for an expanded use of the summer months to create more diverse faculty and student applicant pools. i think williams should find more active partner high schools in non-traditional areas for applicants. i think williams could offer students (not just for SPARC, nor even necessarily combined with SPARC) professional and extended facilitation training. i think williams could make every entry an FRS (not a full class, but a mini-course of sorts). i think Williams could use its young alumni for mentoring of current students.
that’s enough. there’s many more but my god is this long.
sorry, in the second to last paragraph, it should read “david thinks the initiatives are”.
oops. now i’m off to sprint to stats class.
Several years ago the Alumni Office did engage a third party to do a focus group study with minority alumni and found they were not as happy with the Williams experience as whites. At the same time, they discovered that as the years went by, minority alumni mellowed, as they discovered Williams wasn’t as bad as other institutions they encountered later in life.
Also, as Ronit pointed out, this whole area has evolved at Williams over time. When I was at Williams 30 years ago, minorities were about 6 or 7% of the student body, largely black, and not that different from the rest of the student body. While some were from the inner city, a good number had gone to prep schools. If I remember correctly, Paula herself (class of 76) came from a private day school in the midwest.
While things no doubt could be better, I believe they’ve improved since I went to Williams, and I think the best thing the college has going for it is the intelligence of its students and small class size. It’s hard to generalize or put people in buckets when you know them well. Frankly, the sooner we can get to the point where diversity is a given and we don’t need to annoint it with a special Winter Study course, the better.
As we’re ready to accept anecdotes from Tabor, here’s my anecdote: one of the most unrewarding and frustrating experiences that I’ve had with faculty at Williams has been with a professor from my own country. On the other hand, I have received great guidance and mentoring from a couple of professors whose background share nothing with mine.
What I related to was not their ethnic background, but their personality. My concerns were not racial, but academic and personal. I find it somewhat insulting that these latter professors are somehow deemed unsuitable for me, and that I am presumed to need more profs with my ethnicity in their place.
As such, it is a shame that it has seemed so negative
It’s a little ironic that you find the criticism negative, but not a Diversity Initiatives report that paints Williams College as some sort of 19th-century fraternity populated by uncultured White bumpkins who enjoy nothing more than oppressing the coloreds.
This stuff is unbelievably non-quantitative and “touchy feely”.
Paula Moore Tabor attends the alumni networking meetings where current students and past alumni chat about their experiences. I have been in on a couple of these and she’s pretty much repeating many of the complaints I’ve heard.
I can think of a handful of personal Juanita anecdotes right off the top of my head. There were the two students who, when they found out I was Latina, first commented on my mastery of English, and then commented on a friend’s thick spanish accent, praising her “courage” to take the class and to volunteer to read passages out loud “like that”. One of my classmates demanded that I give him my graded English Literature paper because he couldn’t believe that I had gotten an A– he wanted to read it for himself. And then there was a time a good friend of mine asked for my grade point average because he couldn’t believe that I had gotten a job at the same corporation someone else had.
You can’t paint the entire Williams community with the same brush. Not all minority students feel alienated or alienate themselves, and not all white students make ignorant comments or assume latino or black students are “less than”. But I know that there are current students who have had these types of Juanita incidents.
And I know that I personally benefitted greatly by talking to minority professors and administrators who had gone through similar experiences, who could validate my feelings and anger, and who did more than tell me to get over it (as one well-meaning professor did, which only made me feel as if I was crazy for being sad about what happened).
A lot of minority students come to Williams with an open mind. They don’t expect to sit at the black table. They don’t expect to feel alienated. In fact, Vista used to have a problem in getting first years involved (still does, probably). Right around the beginning of second semester and sophomore year is when people started trickling in, missing home, the food, the culture. Maybe had a couple of bad experiences that they needed to share and started feeling as if they need a group of, as Paula inelegantly put it, their “kind” to discuss things with. I personally didn’t join Vista my first year because I thought I really didn’t need to be identified as latina, and here here I am ten years later– still involved.
Ephgal97,
Apologies for the public invitation, but I don’t know your e-mail. Please join as as an author! EphBlog needs you. You could blog anonymously, if you liked.
Actually, this invitation should go out to everyone, especially people with a different view than my own. EphBlog needs you! Help us to create a place where Ephs of goodwill and varying viewpoints can discuss issues important to the college that we all love, each in her own way.
Rory,
I do not think it is fair to this seminar has been “so negative, so conservative.” Now, my own posts might be described this way, but is this a fair description of what Diana Davis or Whitney Wilson or James McAllister had to say? I don’t think so.
Again, I am not saying that the seminar is perfect. I certainly almost begged you to be a discussant. I made similar requests of other Ephs who I thought unlikely to agree with me. But, the fair question is: Tell me about a similar seminar which is more balanced and thoughtful than the one we have put together (with the help of both discussants and commentators like you). I don’t think that there is one.
Paula Moore Tabor attends the alumni networking meetings where current students and past alumni chat about their experiences. I have been in on a couple of these and she’s pretty much repeating many of the complaints I’ve heard.
Selection bias. Complaints and bad experiences get reported. People are much less likely to talk about all the perfectly normal and uncontroversial interactions they had at Williams, which outnumber the problematic ones by a factor of at least thousands.
that’s just not the case, Ronit. People talk about how much they appreciate Williams and also the horror stories.
as people have said about me in this thread, I may be sticking my head in the sand re: the positive views of the initiative/non-conservative views of the initiative in this seminar. i still think its been a criticism-fest, overall, but so be it (and two short emails do not count as begging, David, c’mon, you know that). Similarly, please, don’t stick your head into the sand about the fact that there are very negative experiences. Even if the perfectly normal interactions outweigh 1000:1, the pain of the non-normal interaction is often great enough to be more important than its (assumed) scarcity.
Ronit said:
“Selection bias. Complaints and bad experiences get reported. People are much less likely to talk about all the perfectly normal and uncontroversial interactions they had at Williams, which outnumber the problematic ones by a factor of at least thousands.”
Not only negatives are discussed. Negatives come up, sometimes volunteered, sometimes in answer to surveys and questionnaires (probably the ones that Paula refers to in her post).
These are students and alumni who are part of the Williams community. Wouldn’t make much sense for the alumni to keep contact with the school if we didn’t feel that, overall, the good outweighed the bad. Nonetheless, some of us may feel that certain experiences colored the way we felt at Williams and that they happened often enough to make us uncomfortable. We may feel that, despite all the good, there is room for improvement. Is it therapeutic to discuss these negative experiences? Likely. Does this make them meaningless and irrelevant? No.
How many people does an affinity group have to help before it becomes a valid resource? Even if we were to assume, arguendo, that one can measure the “worth” of a group, its helpfulness, and its “success,” what I consider to be a statistically meaningful number may, and likely will, differ from what other posters on the ephblog believe is material.
I’d ask for a little benefit of the doubt, please, for the students and alumni who affiliate themselves with the cultural groups on campus. Let’s assume that members are rational. Let’s assume that their complaints are not blown out of proportion, that people are not just people making mountains out of molehills. Otherwise, it’s a bit patronizing.
Thank you for the invitation to blog, David, but I have had more than my usual share of free time lately.
Ephgal,
Some years ago in Berkeley, I remember an involvement with a woman of German and Japanese decent, who, therefore, just happened to “look” Latina.
Amazing how difficult it was to get seated at a window in much of San Francisco with such a companion. Personnel just seemed to want to guide us somewhere else…
I’m not really sure I can give a pertinent response to the experiences you relate above, which are nonetheless taken to heart. Given that its quite clear to me that many Mexicans in my corner of the United States fear simply appearing in public these days, I like to imagine Williams as a haven of better behavior.
I also know better.
I also probably tend to take the reports above as seriously as anyone here; we only need to listen to the hearings of the House on Dec. 21st-23rd for some indication of how close the US may be approaching the situation of Weimar Germany. But that is an argument for another night.
Should small colleges with their limited resources reasonably expect themselves to remediate any of the societal (but non-academic) baggage which their students bring with them to the colleges’ campuses? If so, which of it? To what degree?
Good questions, Frank. I personally didn’t think Williams was responsible for people’s societal baggage. These students had already gone through the first year program and obviously not much stuck with them. But I did expect the school to have some resources available so that I could deal with it myself.
Ask alumni who were board members of Vista…hell, ask current members. Williams lets ‘em in, and Vista helps ‘em graduate. I know, it’s a gross generalization, but, for those who need it, Vista offers an outlet, a helping hand, etc. Anyone who has been a board member of Vista can speak to how exhausting it can be to have that type of responsibility. Williams is not creating the problem, but it may be able to make it less…disruptive. I’m not quite sure that’s the word I’m going for, but I have been up for way too many hours in a row.
Hi Ken! I’m so sorry to hear about your experience, and I know it’s hard to be in that position. In my last job (a few years ago) I used to have to stand on the opposite corner from my be-suited African American colleagues to hail a cab. They’d run across the street as soon as I got one. After a while they just stopped raising their hand.
And I still get the Macy’s shadow– if I speak spanish, I’ll get followed. At least I’ve upgraded– it happened to me at the Berkshire Mall too. And that was just kind of sad and lame and funny, being watched over at the Sears as we pondered whether we wanted to spring for the branded Fruit of the Loom t-shirt packs or just get the cheapo ones on sale. My friend had the brilliant idea of taking off her coat to show her Williams shirt, and the shadowing stopped.
To be honest, most of these types of things don’t happen as much as they used to, and when they do they barely even register anymore. They’re just there in the back of your mind.
I apologize for whatever spelling, grammar, etc. mistakes there are in my posts. I am in that sad netherworld of being awake for far too long but too caffeinated to go to sleep.