Mon 6 Mar 2006
I thought this was an interesting news item in light of the robust discussion about Amherst’s future enrollment plans. The cynical view is that this is a way to enroll a more diverse student body without affecting first-year admissions numbers. The optimistic view (and one I think I’d share if Williams undertook this type of endeavor) is that this program will bring some badly-needed vastly different perspectives and new energy into the campus culture and the classroom, while, at the same time, ensuring that the students have a demonstrated ability to succeed at a higher-than-high-school level. The pessimistic view is that at a small, insular school like Williams or Amherst, the intense campus community that develops from day one will make it difficult for a large group of transfer students, particularly students from very different academic backgrounds, to find their place. But I think anyone motivated enough to go to community college and kick ass for two years, and self-assured enough to enter a small, close-knit community mid-stream, would be an asset to a place like Amherst or Williams. Especially if such a program draws, as I expect it might, students of varied ages from a wider socio-economic background that the typical Amherst/Williams student.
2006-03-06 15:33:27
Jeff,
RE: “insularity” issues, my feeling while at Williams was that transfer students, people from NASC or elsewhere taking classes for the semester, non-traditionals, etc., were all viewed more as “new blood” and given more attention than your average Eph. In other words, I think we treat visitors well.
Whether this would play out on a larger scale is another issue. But my sense is that people transfered between houses all the time in the past decades, and that Williams, at least, is more inclusive than not.
2006-03-06 17:42:33
these are the types of innovations and commitments to an expansive definition of diversity I would hope Williams with a diversity initiative underway would be leading the charge in and for.
unfortunately, at best, we’ll be behind. I do know Williams has had a history of taking some transfers from community college, but not very many. Considering that half of all entering college students are “nontraditional” in respect to not coming straight to college from high school, it seems like Williams is likely missing a number of students who would be happy to join the community.
And if Williams is currently too insular to embrace these students, then that’s just a sign Williams’ culture needs to change, not that such students should not be invited to join it.
2006-03-06 20:59:33
Transfers from community colleges in my day didn’t do very well. Academically they did OK — not spectacularly: no one challenged the valedictorian — but they felt out of water socially. The preppy ambiance (BMWs, trips to Vail for Christmas and Acapulco for spring vacation) was a big change from what they had been used to, and they were joining a class that had been together for two years.
And they haven’t felt like members of the Williams family since they graduated: most of them are on the “lost” list — graduates who never send in address updates.
So I’m not against such an initiative, but it hasn’t been a great success in the past.
2006-03-07 16:03:03
While I know you were speaking more to the past than the present, as a current senior, I take exception to your notion that the “preppy ambience,” is what has supposedly prevented transfer students from adjusting. I have a good friend who was new to Williams sophomore year and while she came from Middlebury and not community college, she is fully part of the Williams community even though she wasn’t here as a freshman. I think that the problems transfers have are much more to do with the cohesiveness created by the entry system and the size of Williams itself. Obviously I don’t have enough experience or knowledge to make an definitive statements, but I just wanted to put that out there.
I guess all I wanted to say was be careful of what generalizations are made about Williams ambience and why or why not a transfer student does or doesn’t “fit in”, whatever that means, because I really don’t think that Williams has a dominant culture that is total, and that can’t be “fit in” to. One of the things I love about Williams is that everyone, transfer, four-year student, international, etc, is able to find a niche and people to enjoy four or three or two years at Williams with.