Well… I am a theatre major.

Now that I’ve seen the posters, I can see how they could be considered to be threatening. My reaction now (although I still can’t read the small print) is that they’re creepy — and that whoever made them must be smoking, and inhaling quite deeply.

“I am a theatre major”

Was a lot of clear-headed thought put into this? Surely, if this was the only (or best) idea you came up with, you could have continued to brainstorm until you hit on one that was potentially less offensive. Or did you like this idea for its shock value? Although that thought might have been entertaining, in the future you should consider the effect as you try to make a point.

Just as quick commentary:

Both the inclusion of the marijuana leaf and the “Happy Birthday Hitler” phrase do make them a bit “creepy” to my “eye” as well.

If the marijuana leaf were replaced with a swastika, for instance, I’d find them not creepy but likely “offensive” in the sense that I’d be likely to take offense on finding one on my door. For what my personal opinion is worth.

If it had rather been the Star of David, (and the “Happy Birthday Hitler,” which I find “too silly” or “cute”) were removed, the poster would have an presumed affiliation with Zionism and lose much of its impact (which is, in part, potentially to offend or provoke).

So, the person who posted these things that: demanding that the posters be taken down = acting like Hitler Youth. Perhaps our theater majors should take a few more history classes. Last I checked, tearing down a poster DOES NOT EQUAL slaughtering 6,000,000 people.

“Perhaps our theater majors should take a few more history classes.”

And perhaps our history majors should take a theatre course. Or perhaps attend a play, or an improv comedy show, or participate in discussions about art, performance, politics and where the three meet; not to mention how the dozens of other disciplines taught at Williams have relevence in a theatrical environment.

If Julia intended a theatrical response to her posters, she’s certainly received it–in this forum or at staged town meetings promoting a “reasonable community” (sound a bit like the movie “Pleasantville”?). The Administration Circus is in full swing, free admission! (while they search your rooms.)

“Administration Circus is in full swing…”

Actually, the response seems quite reasonable. Appropriately, there is no indication that there will be any punishment for Ms. Cordrey. “Town meetings” don’t seem problematic; they don’t interfere with anyone’s freedom of expression. She surely expected a “theatrical” response as she was openly mocking requests to remember and mourn the attempt to murder an entire race of people, and doing it a few days after a huge amount of media coverage of a holocaust survivor who was murdered while saving his students at Virginia Tech.

So, is the administration really searching your rooms or is this just another example of self-righteous moronic hyperbole?

…there is no indication that there will be any punishment for Ms. Cordrey…

Unless you count the public smackdown by the President of her college in the final paragraph of his letter.

Julia “Hitler Girl” Julia may not have stopped long enough to let that sink in. Between the posters themselves and her manifesto, she’s obviously on quite a roll. She might want to consider quitting while she’s ahead.

BTW, I though Morty’s letter was quite good. I wouldn’t want to be around he reads Hitler Girl’s communication to the community.

“…she’s obviously on quite a roll. She might want to consider quitting while she’s ahead.”

Especially if this comment on WSO is accurate:

“I’ve only talked to her in person once. At that time she used the word “negroes” in what I considered to be a racially perjorative context and she also made some peculiar references to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.”

Sounds like a fine upstanding young woman.

Are you kidding?! I would love to be at that public address. Can someone video tape it and put the highlights up on Youtube? Judging from her letter, Ms. Julia doesn’t seem like the type of person who will be contrite and back down.

Sensitive topic + firebrand who likes pushing buttons = high comedy

“If Julia intended a theatrical response to her posters”

The people whose doors were postered, however, did not request tickets to her performance, and had no intention of going to her play. Is this what’s known as guerrilla theatre?

So someone made fliers of Hitler smoking pot and now we’re discussing how to stop people from using free speech that some people disagree with? Even with the handful of loudmouths disproportionately posting on WSO, at least half the people on campus support free expression, and there are really only a small minority who act as the little Eichmanns that called security to censor the fliers because they didn’t get it.

I’m not sure whether to suggest the screamers try a little pot to mellow them out, or stop smoking so much that they are paranoid about Hitler coming back from the dead to Holocaust them all again. Saying you are offended about a flier and acting crazy sure doesn’t win any sympathy for your odd fears about a guy who has been dead for over 60 years. Hitler is dead and would be impotent, except that you keep him alive by praising him as this wonderful symbol
of evil.

Quo bono?

This girl and her friend and really ignorant, spoiled, self-indulgent over-achieving posers. I love their high-falutin language about the atrocities of the “weak-minded.” Ridiculous. Someone took an Intro philosphy class and feels a little too self-important. It is truly maddening.

Ignorant, spoiled, self-indulgent, and over-achieving posers is par for the course at Williams. Do you really think Williams is for the unwashed masses?

Now that you’ve called them names, what part of their right to free speech are you prepared to take away? I assure you that most of the students on campus have some opinions you find objectionable, but for now people are allowed to and even encouraged to be different. It’s an inclusive environment, not one that excludes and penalizes people for thinking and expressing themselves.

It wasn’t so much the offense, as the fear that they brought. Coming back to my room late at night alone and finding what seemed to be a pro-Hilter poster (highlighting a statement of what little good he did, and wishing him a happy birthday are not neutral statements) terrified me. It was poor-timing, it was poor judgement, and it was the work of a self-important girl who wanted to shake things up in her little bored life.

The Holocaust posters were clearly mocked. 6 million people slaughtered, millions more affected, a mockery?

I suggest for a punishment that she have to interview a survivor.

It’s an inclusive environment, not one that excludes and penalizes people for thinking and expressing themselves.

Unless, of course, you are excluding and penalizing Jewish students for thinking and expressing themselves about the Holocaust? I see scant evidence for inclusiveness in Julia “Hitler Girl” Julia’s response or in those who are defending her on an imaginary free speech high horse.

To be honest, I’ve somewhat repulsed by more than a faint tinge of anti-Semitism.

Of course the holocaust posters were mocked. They holocaust fliers were obnoxiously placed on doors in contravention of standard practices and their message was intended to be presented in the most disturbing manner possible. They were impolite and intrusive. Though some radicals say any means of getting out a message is permitted, it’s not like any student is unaware of the jewish holocaust, so nothing informative was communicated. Both the holocaust and the 4/20 fliers were provocative but entirely lacked intelligent content, the second one emulating the method of the first with only a change of context.

Jewish students are of course permitted to think and express whatever they want. But rather than creating categories of favored students, it is most fair to say that all students are free to express themselves. Why is that so hard to understand? Further, if you allow students to post unwelcome fliers on people’s doors, then all types of unwelcome fliers are permitted. If you wish for less backlash then keep fliers to bulletin boards and usual areas.

The irregular method of posting the holocaust fliers led to the response. Good job guys for provoking what you desired. You again get to pretend hitler is coming back from the dead to fight the communists while the rest of us have moved on to modern times.

Personally I find these posters distasteful, but had the students in question signed their names to the posters I wouldn’t have the slightest problem with them. The fact is that free speech is an important right, particularly on a college campus. However anonymous speech, speech that does not create dialogue because it is unattributed, is cowardly.

“If you wish for less backlash then keep fliers to bulletin boards and usual areas.”

The posters’ juvenile response was not the best way to “teach a lesson” — “two wrongs don’t make a right.” Requesting a definitive interpretation/application of the college’s policy could have been accomplished in so many other more positive ways.

It’s a shame you think the Founding Fathers were cowards for not signing their names to their writings.

Dialogue is the action of the community and occurs without requiring the moderation of the person who first expressed an idea.

Nobody really cares for jews and I get the meaning behind what this girl has done. On a certain level she has brought it to everyone’s attention how transparent the holohoax(tm)is. The day is coming when the joke will be over, and the swindle will be over. If you’re a college student you owe it to yourself to wake up and smell the lie.

Is it her free speech right to make hitler posters? Sure, of course, it is, but those who are defending her attention-whoring foolishness would do well to remember that what she is doing is laughing at victims while appearing to cheer for the one who vitimized them.

If you posted pictures at a memorial of someone in your family who was murdered or raped, and someone decided to set up a “light hearted” commentary dedicated to the perpetrator, how would you react?

She shouldn’t be punished by the state or institutions, but if someone, especialy a jewish someone, decides she deserves a punch in the mouth, I would hope no one acts too surprised when it happens…Speaking from personal experience, when I have said some very stupid things in my life, there has often been that fist to the mouth-sometimes literaly, sometimes figuratively…

Old Polish Proverb:
A jew screams out in pain as he hits you.

Think about it.

I can’t imagine Stan added anything productive to this thread, and, judging by the link he’s given, I’d appreciate it if his comment were deleted.

Good reason to feel threatened: anti-Semitism alive and well in America.

One of those free speech haters I was talking about, eh Andy? Typical.

One of those free speech haters I was talking about, eh Andy? Typical.

As Lowell eloquently wrote above, the first amendment does indeed give you the right to free speech, but we are not obliged nor inclined to give you a free space to air your vile beliefs. If I had admin powers on our MT backend, I would surely delete your comments and block your IP. Alas, I do not. Call me a free speech hater if you will; I frankly do not give a damn.

Yes, of course Peter, because these students faced a treason charge and possibly death for their writings, just as the founding fathers did. We’re a “slippery slope” argument away from having the full strawman trifecta in play.

If the real purpose of this act was to create a conversation on campus about the holocaust, how it is portrayed and how it is remembered; then they should have hand no problem with putting their names to it. The fact that they were too afraid to do so makes their mature-sounding arguments after the fact ring hollow.

No, the issue was about the holocaust posters that were taped to every student’s door a week ago. They were forced at everyone and unwelcome, yet no one came forward to accept responsibility.

There are over a hundred posts about the holocaust fliers from last week and most students were offended by them. The 4/20 fliers were an appropriate response to that self-promotional intrusion.

When people start demanding names so they can go after people personally, it is wise to avoid giving one’s name. Only the ideas matter anyway and harassing someone because you disagree with their ideas is petty and unproductive.

The original thread on the holocaust posters is here:

http://wso.williams.edu/discuss/comments.php?DiscussionID=811&page=1#Item_0

Fist to the mouth? Are you prepared to enforce that threat to the extreme? If so, the first step is to identify yourself. Via bad decision making and lack of resolve Israel and its 21st century army (similar to the U.S. in Iraq) windily, foolishly and in my view sadly has allowed itself to appear publicly to be stymied by a crudely equipped but tough minded, guerilla-fighting hezbollah.

I agree the PC police are like the Nazi regeme themselves. some people cant take a joke but for you to take theirs

Americans. You have quite an odd perspective on free speech. (And yet there are still obscenty laws - how weird.)

Not to go into too much detail, but most everybody else does not believe in unrestricted free speech. Hate speech is a crime most places, and it is the US that is the anomaly.

Uberleech. Of course our perspective on free speech is odd to you. You are German. You guys will stand at an intersection waiting for a signal to walk when there isn’t a car anywhere in sight. You guys will submit to random searches by police. You’re losers. You tried to conquer the world but you wound up giving it to us instead. Thank you.

Seriously how did you mess that one up? Started a war with Russia. Morons.

This is silly, but nothing more, and censorship doesn’t rid the world of un-liked ideas, it merely suppresses them.

Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh’s love child…Julie Ann Corday!

What an ass-wipe!

This self-centered snot hasn’t a clue. Neither her or her male friend have any idea what the Holocaust was about.

This carp cries Oh it’s the PC mentality!
No dumb broad its called having respect for the victims of that horror. But then you probably don’t have that in your genetics you ignorant turd!

David: This subject surely has brought out nastiness. I wonder what attacking motherhood would do here.

OK I think more debate is a good thing, exhibit A Ken Thomas (above for full quote) who said :
“…acting like Hitler Youth. Perhaps our theater majors should take a few more history classes. Last I checked, tearing down a poster DOES NOT EQUAL slaughtering 6,000,000 people. ”
OK lets have lots of history courses esp. for people that think Hitler Youth ran the concentration camps while the SS and other sat around drinking beer? Hitler Youth was very prolific at aiding in reporting censorship violations and other “crimes” but the tended to grow up and move on to participate in other trouble,
and actually I support Julie’s in that the student should have a voice in what is put up on their door, The holocaust isn’t the most important cause today for me, and I have to prioritize there is global warming, breast cancer, AIDs, hunger, Human rights in China, Human rights in the middle east, Free Speech, Equal rights, Saving the whales, Saving the rainforests, Stem cell research, decreased dependence on foreign oil…. I can go on, but I think advocates for all these causes need to learn a phrase called “Express Consent”, that said If you asked me I might give it for a few of the above, but if you don’t ask me I surely will not.

This is silly, but nothing more, and censorship doesn’t rid the world of un-liked ideas, it merely suppresses them.

Finally, an unvited guest I can agree with.

A fitting letter I wrote many many moons ago, when I was still the stary-eyed youngin’ who thought he could change how people view the world: Letter to the editor

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My only hope is that something productive may come of all of this recent debate, but past race-related incidents on campus lead me to believe that this debate will degenerate into a finger pointing ordeal between the “whiny minorities” and those who feel compelled to label them as such.

I’ll leave it to those too young to realize that this is an exercise in futility to argue against the morons who’ve hijacked the post.

any one who can look at those posters and find them to be offensive,creepy and threatening are sad little sheep i look at them and laugh to do anything else is just wrong.

I hear ya on the “lack of open mindedness of libs” front. We must remember that these are ideological warriors lmao. I remember a quote from the Simpsons regarding Krusty’s autobiography as being “self-serving, with many glaring omissions”. Seems to fit most anywhere. Check out my snuffing by a rainbow warrior.

http://feministlawprofs.law.sc.edu/?p=1291

I should probably point out that my “life partner” is about to enter her WS PhD and I get to hear all kinds of wrong facts and get frustrated with most academics’ ability to pull meaningless numbers out of their ass. People don’t have to like gays, broccoli, straights, etc. Forcing them to just seems to piss them off more lol. I dunno. I applaud this effort to counter the stupidity encountered by brainwashed, overeducated busybodies. It’s getting funny to watch. Both of the major political wings have their ascribed media they take as the Holy word, and both appear to be missing both facts and common sense. Human nature I guess. Being told you’re wrong sucks. Being called a troll because you aren’t giving them the “right on” and then having your IP blocked isn’t going to provide any kind of open debate. Fark fark fark.

My Father was in the Army unit that freed the prisoners in the concentration camp, Dachau. Dad said that when they rolled through the front gates, they didn’t see number of corpse discovered after they moved on (he was in a mechanized armor unit that moved quickly). He said there was a number of Poles, Russians, and Jews standing around like zombies from lack of nourishment-being starved to death. He said that after they had gone on, some of his group had gone back and taken pictures of boxcars of bodies ready to be shipped out. This could be the source of some stories that deny the killing that went on in those places. Hitler was the perfect picture of the Anti-Christ and his image should always be view as one of the most evil persons to inhabit the Earth.

Open mindedness? When did celebrating Hitler and the slaughter of 6 million people become an ‘open minded’ thing?

Being respectful is NOT censorship, it’s not being a Liberal.

I totally support freedom of expression. However it comes with responsibility.

Oh gee that’s right these twits don’t have a clue about that either!!

Any of you meatballs ever studied the situation before Hitler and what created him??

Not to deny or downgrade the existence of those Camps,these were holding POWs,Dissidents and yes even Jews.Even jewish Scholars question the Numbers quoted over and in the Media,while it was technically impossible to process that many Persons,with all the Facilities at his Disposal.
Now let’s get back to Iraq,how many Dead so far?

About 3000 U.S. dead out of a U.S. population of about 300 million. In the Civil War there were over 600,000 U.S. dead out of a U.S. population of about 31 million, including slaves.

“Ari”’s capitalization Pattern in the second Paragraph is oddly germanic… e.g., “jewish” not capitalized but every Noun capitalized. Curious, at the least.

And Ari, Norman Finkelstein hardly qualifies as a scholar, and I also seem to recall him publicly repudiating any affiliation with Judaism. But thanks for trying!

Joe:

I love both the assumption of nationality and the racial stereotyping. You base your assessment of an entire country’s population upon the actions of its leadership? (And its leadership sixty years ago, at that.) If so, look to your own leadership for what Americans “are”.

The level of discourse in this thread is extremely low. Both “sides” are acting immature - what I gather was

A) Posters were put on everyone’s doors, rudely, without permission and against policy. People were mad - possibly very hostile environment inducing posters.
B) Someone decided to mock those posters with little thought to reaction
C) defecation met ventilation.

Now.. for those of you going around screaming “antisemitism! antisemitism” I find the person claiming that is more often the racist than the person they are screaming it at. They are racist in that they assume everyone not of their race means things in a racial context when they don’t - or worse, i’ve known some that assume everyone not of their race is out to get them.

anti-non-semitism is just as racist as anti-semitism: neither is acceptable.

All in all this situation is just a chain of people talking out their ass and overreacting.

Oh please!

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All in all this situation is just a chain of people talking out their ass and overreacting
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Your talking out of your ass. Time to pull your head out!

The hostility against the 8 1/2 by 11 inch Holocaust Remembrance flyers is really quite stunning.

I must be really strange. I thought the whole project was a pretty cool idea and frankly, the kind of endeavor I would applaud for a college campus. I feel horrible for the young people who worked so hard to pull it off to run into such a buzzsaw of negativity.

I hope a lot of the comments we are seeing are not from college students.

Rubbing the noses of indifferent(not to mention antipathetic) persons in one’s cause is susceptible to being regarded as rude behaviour even if not otherwise hurtful or harmful - especially where the rubbing is deliberate.

Putting Holocaust flyers on every door is extreme, and should not have been done, even though genocide is a critical issue ( it is frightening how it is still happening today).

Anyone who wants to mention Hitler needs to be careful. Excluding obvious connections (like to the Luftwaffe), linking Hitler to any concept should not be done for trivial reasons. What message are you trying to say when you bring Hitler into a discussion? To me, it seems to always be either A) the actions of person(s) X are evil; or B) the Holocaust was exaggerated/didn’t happen. With few exceptions (e.g. Stalin), usage A is bogus, and usage B is a simply code for “killing Jews isn’t that bad, since Jews are bad people.”

When you call people on B, they generally get very huffy and anti-PC.

Putting Holocaust flyers on every door is extreme

No it isn’t. It’s a stinkin’ piece of laser print paper. Don’t want to read it? Throw it in the trash. It’s less bother than a Chinese Restaurant take out menu.

We want college students to be fired up about their causes. That’s what college is all about. They have plenty of time to be old curmudgeons when they get to be my age or Frank’s age. As causes go, remember the Holocaust is a pretty good one.

That’s the part of this whole thing that I just do not understand. How a campus of young people could be so disturbed by their fellow students working their “cause”. I mean, honestly…big frickin’ deal. Poor babies have to throw away a piece of paper. Big whup.

just to clarify, hwc, a pretty vast majority of campus had no problem with the Holocaust posters (i’m not gonna try to represent campus opinion on the hitler posters, which are obviously more divisive), and most of the people i’ve talked to thought the negative reaction was way overblown; the few who did have a problem with it were just extremely vocal. that said, the fact that there were more than ten or twenty people on campus who had an actual objection to the posters shocks me too.

If you think people who don’t like to have posters on their doors are poor babies, stop posting anonymously and tell all the people with causes where you live so they can tape posters about their particular cause all over your residence.

Today we are witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force - military force - in international relations, force that is plunging the world into an abyss of permanent conflicts. As a result we do not have sufficient strength to find a comprehensive solution to any one of these conflicts. Finding a political settlement also becomes impossible.
We are seeing a greater and greater disdain for the basic principles of international law. And independent legal norms are, as a matter of fact, coming increasingly closer to one state’s legal system. One state and, of course, first and foremost the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way. This is visible in the economic, political, cultural and educational policies it imposes on other nations. Well, who likes this? Who is happy about this?
Vladimir Putin, Munich, 10 February 2007

Uncomfortable?

Thanks, m. I figured that had to be the case.

R. Dunn: Welcome to the real world. I get flyers all the time. Clean my gutters. Vote for this. Order something from the new Chinese restaurant. Paint my house. Fertilize my lawn. Look for a lost dog. Hell, I even have the neighbors kids buggin’ me to buy girl scout cookies.

I get college kids knockin’ on my door to sign a MassPIRG petition. I can’t tell you how much I despise MassPIRG…dating back to when they automatically tacked dues onto my Williams tuition bill (and you are complaining about a stickin’ piece of paper on your door!). Do I act like a jerk to poor MassPIRG girl? No. She has her cause. I respect that. I’m glad she’s fired up and involved. You should be when you are 20 years old. I explain why I won’t sign, but it’s not like it gives me ulcers or anything.

What about all the good things Hitler did?

The bad MORE than outweighs the good. Ohh, transportation! FASCISM AND GENOCIDE! genocide is a more important, far worse act.

Wow, the response here is really amazing. People wonder why some make it a point to remember that 6 million people were killed for the crime of their birth. 6 million more were murdered along side them. An yet, with all the proof of the crime, people still claim it did not happen.

Also, for the well-fed child that poster the Hitler posters, I hope you realize, you would also stand a good chance of going into the ovens, if you are not a Aryan.

As a former employee of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington DC, and having read all of these comments here, I would like to cordially invite Ms. Julia and anyone who thinks the Holocaust is a “hoax” to take a personalized tour of the Museum, any day, any time.

Go to http://www.ushmm.org and read articles about the Holocaust. See photos of it. Hear actual Survivor Testimonies. Learn about this history before you take it on as a nothing more than a shock-factor, in-your-face, irresponsible and ignorant-based argument with people who know nothing about the responisibility required to embark on this subject.

I encourage those who are ignorant about this topic to study it more, read and watch documentaries about it, talk to Holocaust Survivors, and try to understand the concept of genocide BEFORE you tape insensitive, ignorant posters of Hitler on the doors of your peers.

Keep in mind that Hitler did NOT act alone. He had millions of followers, most of whom were motivated solely by FEAR…and the ripple effect of those Nazi supporters (which include IBM, VW, Walt Disney, Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh and yes, President Bush Senior), is still felt in our country, right here, right now, over 65 years later.

Nobody can fully comprehend the number 6 million people murdered, but that number is much easier to understand when you explain that the states of DC, VA, West VA and MD would be completely wiped off the map.

The shooter at Virginia Tech killed 33 people. That’s like your entire suburban neighborhood being wiped off the map. Take a look around your classroom, your office, your neighborhood, and count 33 people, if you want to fully understand that number. Then multiply that number by all the surrounding neighborhoods, communities and rural areas in your state, and then multiply THAT by 3 or 4 surrounding states, and then you may just understand the number 6 million a little better. Not to mention 1.2 million KIDS who were murdered. An entire generation, gone.

The importance of Holocaust Remembrance is to promote liberating people from oppression, ending fascist government policies that systematically remove civil rights, it means paying attention to those elected to serve our country and those around us, and it means doing everything in your power to prevent future genocide from happening. It’s happening right now in Sudan, and Darfur. If you want to do something about it, inform yourself about the history of genocide, and get involved—go out there and be PRO-active, not just typically
RE-active on a web site blog message board like this. This accomplishes nothing.

Go and inform yourself FIRST, and prepare for the ignorant reactivity of those who receive your message about the delicate and controversial subject in which you intend to become enmired. Only THEN can you be taken seriously, only THEN will your credibility be questioned and/or attacked less, and only THEN will you have a better sense of the RESPONSIBILITY that goes along with such actions.

Those who do not learn from the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat it.

Why dignify these “hoaxers” by talking at them. No one who is mature, thoughtful and of average or greater intelligence believes them.

Why do I “talk at them?” Because right now in the world, Iran has a President who doesn’t believe the Holocaust happened either, and the racism, hate-crimes and anti-Semitism are all on the rise all around us, and because so many people of younger generations have NO CLUE about anything Holocaust-related, THAT is why. If I can assist and guide people to finding out about it, and teach them how to think for themselves about such a subject, perhaps (with time) the tide of ignorance about this history will be turned. That is the hope I cling to, at least.

I worked at the Museum for six years, volunteered at the Anne Frank Center in NY for 5 years previous, and I’ve immersed myself in it for many years, I’ve written articles and assisted with research for the book “The Holocaust Chronicle” as well. However, I am no expert.

I’ve just studied WWII and the Holocaust all my life, and I’ve given countless tours of the Museum, countless presentations in classrooms K-12 and beyond, and teacher workshops about it…so I’m hoping to teach others about this history to better inform them and add something more substantial to a blog filled with personal attacks, name-calling and reactive time-wasting fluff.

The Survivors I know all believe and teach others that to sit by and do nothing in the face of adversity, is just as bad as perpetrating it.

“Evil Thrives when Good People Do Nothing.”

And, doing nothing is still a choice. Ignoring people, or dismissing those who know little about a subject such as the Holocaust is not going to help the world progress further towards peace one bit. Teaching them more about it, however, most certainly will.

P.S. In my previous post, I mentioned several companies and American people who supported Hitler and the Nazis–I want to clarify that I meant to write it was President Bush’s FATHER, Prescott, who was the supporter of the Nazi regime. He employed slave labor from the concentration camps in his factories located in Europe during WWII.

If you don’t believe me, by all means I encourage everyone—do your own research–just google his name and you’ll find out much more about it. Texas also has the most hate-groups of every other state in the U.S. You can find out more about THAT subject by going to http://www.splcenter.org, and looking up “hate groups.”

“after being elected vice president in 1980, (GHWB) placed his assets in a trust run by his friend William Farish, whose grandfather, as head of Standard Oil of New Jersey, was collared for conspiring with Nazi Germany. Harry Truman denounced the elder Farish for crimes approaching ‘treason.’ Among Standard Oil’s ‘investments’ were IG Farben, which ran a gasoline slave-labor factory at Auschwitz.”

It would be best to get your facts straight. Another oil family, the Farishes, had interests in a German company that “ran a gasoline slave-labor factory at Auschwitz.”

You might want to learn a little more about “hate groups” from sources other than the SPLC who profits from their ability to control the narrative. In 1999, the SPLC earned $44 million — $27 million from fund-raising and $17 million from stocks and other investments–but spent only $13 million on civil rights program, making it one of the most profitable charities in the country.

Most hate groups are practically government run through infiltrators that encourage the members to perform illegal actions so the government can then heroically step in and protect the nation. The hate groups consist of mostly disgruntled lower-middle class people who form not much more than a seedy social group, but nearly every case of headline action involves a few informants egging them on.

Groups like the SPLC then use the bust to extract millions from well-minded liberals through fundraising. It’s a slightly more intellectual form of the televangalist doom and gloom scam. It is undeniably profitable to play the hate game by promoting and controlling fringe hate groups that have few members and no social relevance.

From the Harper’s Magazine article:

The Ku Klux Klan, the SPLC’s most lucrative nemesis, has shrunk from 4 million members in the 1920s to an estimated 2,000 today, as many as 10 percent of whom are thought to be FBI informants.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a3e5cb925c4.htm

I’m not acquainted with a single person who to my knowledge is a “hoaxer”. Maybe I circulate in a wonderful segment of society, but I doubt it.