Tue 8 May 2007
The most important College Council meeting of the year happened two weeks ago and discussed Mary Jane Hitler. Rant follows.
CC member Andrew Goldston reports:
The dais took efforts to limit the scope to exploring the idea of standards of tolerance of speech/expression/whatever around campus, and the meeting was entirely too calm and measured, IMO. Honestly, nearly everything I heard I’ve already read on WSO, seen on EphBlog, talked over in ConLaw this morning, or written here myself.
Remington will be posting meeting minutes at some point with a pretty detailed accounting of what went on, if you want to check. The only thing everyone really agreed on, as far as I can tell, is that putting stuff on people’s doors is a pretty bad idea.
Frankly, I’m all Hitlered out.
Students want to read those notes but CC Co-President Kim Dacres is, uh, less than helpful to her constituents.
James Matthews: I haven’t seen or heard anything about this meeting, and it’s been a few days. Would somebody who was present care to fill me in?
Kimberly Dacres: We had the CC meeting last wednesday. You both should have come if you wanted to be filled in. But, since that isn’t the case…look out for the meeting minutes from the CC Secretary, Remington Shepard. Take care.
James Matthews: Not everybody has the time to come to everything they would like, Miss President. Furthermore, CC minutes tend to be elusive beings, appearing seemingly at random, and more frustratingly (for those of us who aren’t fans of the dining halls), unannounced, and disappearing just as quickly. Since some of us had other commitments at the time, it would nice if either someone less condescending towards that could inform us what went down, or if CC could at least post the minutes online so that we can have easy access/reference to them.
Kimberly Dacres: Let me make one thing clear, you are not the only one with committments on this campus. So, please don’t get testy with me when I point you in the direction that you asked for in the first place. As to my so called “condescending” tone…you don’t even know me. So try talking to me in person instead of being an “elusive being” and posting on WSO. CC office hours Sunday 9pm-10pm…unless you have other commitments because of course this IS all about you.
Spoken like someone not up for re-election! Comments:
1) Kudos to CC Co-president Morgan Goodwin for providing a brief run-down later in the thread.
2) Secretary Remington Shepard apologizes and notes that he has been too “busy being a student recently.” Wrong answer! When you run for CC, you are making a promise to, within reason, allow your CC duties to take precedence over your classes. No one is asking you to fail out, but if you don’t have time to turn than B- essay into an A because the notes take so much time to write, then you take the hit. Your GPA should be lower if you are a CC officer than it otherwise would be. CC officers are like JAs or sports/activity leaders. By competing for and winning a job that many others wanted, you are making a commitment to do that job first.
3) As best I can tell, the minutes are still not electronically available. Not even for last year! Some say that is fine, that there is no need for electronic CC minutes since only loser bloggers read them. False! First, if you are going to have a website which promises notes, then you need to put notes up there. Otherwise, people will not take you seriously. Second, if CC wants to influence people who matter (faculty, alumni), it needs to communicate with them. Meeting Dean Roseman once a week is fine and fun but she is not the only power that matters and, like many Deans, is more interested in getting CC on-board with her agenda than helping CC accomplish its agenda. Third, some/many/most students consider CC something of a joke (although this changes from year to year). One reason for this disdain is CC’s failure to accomplish even the most basic tasks, like posting the minutes.
Follow Jonathan Landsman’s ‘05 example. Provide thorough minutes. Post them quickly. If the CC secretary can’t/won’t do it, replace him.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:41 pm
the current cc secretary is inept. the previous cc secretary was barely more than inept.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:51 pm
By competing for and winning a place (that many others wanted) in the Williams college student body, you’re making a commitment to do that job first. You’re making a commitment to the college, to your parents, and to yourself, to put the best possible effort into your academic studies and to make the best possible use of the $80,000/year that’s being invested in you.
On a personal level, papers and quizzes have deadlines. CC minutes don’t. Your GPA may affect your life for years to come. CC minutes don’t.
Now, it’s quite possible, even likely, that Remington has been doing things with his free time other than writing CC minutes. Attack that, if you feel so moved. But don’t suggest that CC is, or should be, more important than classes.
May 9th, 2007 at 12:15 am
The best CC Secretary in recent memory was Craig Tamamoto ‘02 (who is also the 2002 Class President http://www.kelleydrye.com/attorneys/atty_data/05216 ). Craig not only created excellent, accurate minutes, but he also typed them the night of each CC meeting and had them printed and on all dining hall tables the very next morning!
Also, to the First Year who posted above: The Williams education is about FAR MORE than academics. I remember hearing Morty say on more than one occasion that 50% (or was it 2/3rds) of the learning at Williams occurs outside of the classroom. If Williams was all about academics, then everyone could just attend online courses from the comfort of their homes. Classes are certainly important, but extra-curricular activities and experiences are equally important.
It is very disappointing to see the CC Co-President above appear to be so arrogant and condescending when responding to a legitimate question from her constituents. Perhaps she posted in the heat of the moment without thinking, but she should remember that she (and the Secretary) were elected to serve the student body.
May 9th, 2007 at 12:17 am
Here’s the thing, if you can’t commit to doing the CC minutes in a timely manner because of your commitment to your classes, then you shouldn’t make the commitment to CC.
May 9th, 2007 at 12:22 am
Jonathan Landsman’s work was exceptional, as were a few other past secretaries.
But CC nowadays is sadly inept. Last year’s CC secretary actually managed to lose committee applications and never responded to questions.
But what else would you expect from a body that has ceased to play any significant role in student life?
May 9th, 2007 at 4:09 am
Doesn’t all this clearly support one more time the age-old proposition that College Council is a waste and that those who have invested themselves in it have made self-destructive choices? Sing a capella, drink beer, chase the opposite gender, do something in which there is some kind of payoff! But do not engage in the similarly futile activity of blogging!
May 9th, 2007 at 9:43 am
1. CC has almost always been seen as inept. As great as Craig’s notes were, the one noticeable thing in them is that most of the time, nothing happened. not because CC is a bad body or is filled with bad people, but because its power is limited and its design is incorrect for the power it has (to rally students).
2. The idea that during the finals period, a CC secretary should be expected to not have a extension to file minutes is self-centered. It is the roughest part of the year right now, and the current secretary is a new one who didn’t create a class and extra-curricular schedule designed to allow for great CC minute turn-around. Let’s see how it goes next year before being too quick to bash a student.
3. The snippet you post from the wso discussion probably doesn’t cover why Kim was so mean (but it is a good lesson for aspiring pols). James Matthews, however nice or not nice a person, has been a very vocal and sometimes condescending defender of Mary Jane Hitler’s poster and the anonymous website. He wasn’t just an inquiring mind, and I’m sure there were less confrontational ways to ask for those minutes than via a wso discussion board.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:54 am
2. actually the meeting in question (that people asked for the minutes from) was several weeks ago, well before finals period. Furthermore, I am not sure if the current secretary has distributed minutes more than several times this entire semester.
The problem is that students have realized that the CC secretary position is an easy way to win the ear of the administration, without having to defeat serious candidates like the treasurer and co-presidents do. Consequently, the last year has seen students who have little interest in the secretary side of things and much interest in the power side of things running for secretary. As these tend to be involved students, their resumes look good, and they’ve been winning. As they aren’t nearly as qualified or serious as the Presidents or Treasurer (or they would run for those positions), they’ve been somewhat of a problem on CC-officers as well as in filling their primary duty as secretary.
May 9th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
“James Matthews, however nice or not nice a person, has been a very vocal and sometimes condescending defender of Mary Jane Hitler’s poster and the anonymous website.”
I got the opposite impression.
May 9th, 2007 at 12:16 pm
I’ve heard that right after CC meetings, Remington can be seen sprinting up to Morty’s house. If you happen to be walking past, you can strain your ears and hear the two discussing how long Remington should withold mintues from the campus in order to yield the most power. About half an hour later, low rumblings of laughter echo over the Paresky lawn.
May 9th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
anonymous-
you are right, i mistook james for someone else in the wso thread because of i didn’t realize his comment had ended and another began. my mistake. and if i could figure how to login with my new board powers, i’d fix that error. my apologies.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:43 am
P.S., I was the secretary for Frosh Council, and while I only distributed the minutes to the other members of Frosh Council (via e-mail), I have archived them if anyone is interested.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Well First I guess I am glad to see the entire Williams Community being so concerned about the College Council Minutes. Regardless of the relative “ineptitude” of Council, you seem to still care about what we discuss. I apologize for not having the most recent minutes on the webpage. The page itself is in transition and will be fully updated and operational by the next academic year (kinda reminds me of a certain Student Center that still leaks)
In terms of my committment to College Council, I have been an active member of the organization since I have arrived at College, representing Williams Hall my freshman fall. This year particular I have gotten more involved with the College, serving as a member of the first ever Currier Nieghborhood Governance Board, and participating heavily in Thursday Night Group and ACE.
Now I understand your collective dismay at my seemingly dismal performance as Secretary thus far. If many of you were students at Williams Currently and petitioned for my resignation, and I was voted out of office because the minutes are not online, then I would accept the decision of the student body. However there is certainly more to being secretary than just writing the CC minutes and putting them online, and there is more to being a credible student leader than this as well. I have more experience on Council than any other person who might take this position. I have seen good and bad secretaries (I would argue that Justin Lavner who was an interim secretary was the best since I have been at Williams)
Now you can certainly lambast me all you want, even going so far as to attack my character. However if you would like to give me some constructive criticism or any advice on how to best manage my time I would suggest you email me 08ras@williams.edu. Also if you email me I can send you the minutes from the meeting involving the Hitler Posting incident.
Outside of that I can promise you, mostly alums and some students of Williams College that I will continue to work my hardest to improve the College. Whether it be through my being Secretary of College Council or the President Elect of Currier Neighborhood, I promise to give my all to do the job the best I can. If I continue not to live up to the standard of exceptional secretaries, and if you have a better alternative, I honestly suggest you (the students of Williams) have a referendum and elect me out of office. This certainly would deeply hurt me personally, but if I am really doing a terrible job, and I am hurting the student body, then this is the best thing that could happen.
I do not think this post will alleuviate and concerns or stop you from effectively calling me names and besmearching my character, but I feel I am allowed to speak on my own behalf
Best,
Remington A. Shepard ‘08
Email me with any constructive input.