Wed 9 Jul 2008
Did you know this?
[New mens basketball coach] Maker, who went on three foreign summer trips with Dartmouth, is looking forward to August when the Ephs will embark on a pre-planned two-week trip to Italy with the players who are returning from last year’s roster. NCAA rules prohibit first-years from pre-season trips. The Ephs return three starters from last year’s 17-8 team in senior co-captain Kevin Snyder a guard, junior center Joe Geoghegan, and junior swingman Blake Schultz.
“This will be a great opportunity for me to get to know the players and a chance for them to get to know me while we play some games and take part in cultural activities,” noted Maker. “The basketball will be important because it’ll be the first time I’ll see the players in game conditions, but getting to know them and sharing the cultural aspects of the trip and bonding will be just as important.”
1) How much does a trip like this cost? If the team gets free/subsidized housing/meals from the Italian teams it plays, I think that a lower bound could be $10,000. If not, the total bill might go as high as $50,000. Estimates?
2) Who is paying for it? I assume that it is either the College or a rich parent/alum. Surely not every member of the team could afford the expense.
3) Do other teams take similar trips? A key aspect of Title IX is that mens and womens sports must be treated equally. Does womens hoops take a similar trip? Why not?
4) Should the College pay for such a trip? My position is the same as always: pro-athlete and anti-tip. The College should spend whatever it takes (within reason) to give the best possible experience to all its students, athletes included. If, given budget constraints and other priorities, the Athletic Department wants to send the mens basketball team to Italy, then so be it.
5) Are the College’s athletic priorities reasonable? Not always. Consider the (non-existent) mens JV lacrosse team. There are lots of Ephs who would love to play lacrosse for Williams but who are not good enough to play varsity. (I had breakfast with two of them last week.) Why doesn’t Williams provide them with that opportunity, as it does for, say, mens soccer? The answer they got from the athletic department involved insurance costs and other expenses. Seems suspect to me, and to them.
I worry that folks in the athletic department, like Harry Sheehy ‘75, spend too much money/attention on varsity athletes and not enough on JV/club athletes. The classic example of this was the debate over the placement of the new turf field. [Calling Mike Needham '04 for commentary.] It is more important that Williams have a JV team in sport X then that it spend extra money on a fancy trip for the varsity in sport X.
UPDATE: A baseball parent writes:
The Varsity Baseball Team goes to Phoenix for Spring Training. I have no idea how much money the team gets from the school, but the parents get a polite letter from the coach asking for money. A range (of amount) is suggested and you are asked to do your best. When we sent the check in, (I think it was around $1,000, and that was at the high end) we sent a note asking the coach to let us know if there was a player that needed to be funded. I think as it turned out, every player was able to pony up something. The boys were also asked to sell a certain amount of chocolate. (this seemed silly, but I guess it adds up)
As well, the team has an organized parents group. We donated to that, too, and that money took care of all the snacks and drinks, as well as a dinner or two. Accommodations were decent, but not expensive, and meals, drive-thru more often than not. And all the visiting parents end up taking several boys out for meals at least twice. Last spring, a couple of parents of seniors treated (all the seniors) to a dinner and baseball game.
My son said that every player seemed to have money of his own for meals.
This is consistent with what I have heard about other teams like track and swimming. But two weeks in Italy is, I would guess, much more expensive than two weeks in Phoenix.

July 9th, 2008 at 9:58 am
I don’t know anything about the basketball trip, but I do know that some trips aren’t fancy. I’ve talked with athletes who were selling t-shirts as fundraisers for their summer, winter or spring training trips, and asked how they fund them. Some teams stay with (and are fed by) Williams connections en route to warmer weather locations. I read where the rowers have an interesting arrangement with senior citizens at an RV park near where they practice in South Carolina: the seniors cook for them (much cheaper than a restaurant) and are paid a little above cost, which goes to keeping their community center afloat. Nothing is luxurious. I see announcements soliciting yardwork and maintenance jobs for rowers in the fall to help pay for the trip, and they get pledges for an ergometer competition in Jan. The College pays some part of a training trip (coaches’ salaries and insurance) and may provide the vans.
It seems to be a combination of various types of fundraisers put on by the athletes, contributions of various elements by the College), parents (and scholarship funds?) paying part, in kind donations by alumni and parents who provide housing and food, alumni contributions, and some clever travel arrangements (often involving packing a lot of people in a room).
I wonder whether Williams has the facilities to run a lot of JV programs. Coaches can be hired and insurance purchased but it gets harder when the issues are finding enough fields, getting rink or court time (without driving out other groups of users), and providing adequate indoor space for when practices must be inside.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:05 am
International trips are pretty common in the NESCAC, although I think there’s a rule about them only being allowed every four years. Crew might be the only sport in which the trips are a postseason reward for a great regular season. I think the trips are fine as long as the poorer athletes don’t get pinched financially.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:13 am
There are definitely lots of these trips. I know men’s soccer does one of these periodically (including a recent trip to Italy) and most of the spring sports take two week trips over spring break (granted, that is often part of their season or training regimen, but still two weeks worth of constant travel). I knkow Bates and Amherst men’s basketball teams recently took European summer trips. This times out perfectly for Williams as it will give the team a chance to get to know the new coach.
Regarding the priorities issue, I believe the college is right now in the early stages of planning for a substantial renovation of Chandler / Lasell. I am sure the highest priority will be a single, modern, expanded weight and cardio room, which is something used by all students. It will be interesting to see what else is prioritzed as the space in the gym will need to be utilized creatively — not much rooom to expand really. I do hope Lasell’s basketball area is kept more or less intact as that is a really cool space with historic significance that is definitely used a lot by IM / casual basketball players and indoor runners.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:05 am
David-
Students who play varsity sports give up a lot of educational opportunities doing it. It is an odd thing- Tips can go to Williams because they are athletes, but they will never be able to experience the full range of a Williams’s education for that very same reason.
Williams has a massive field of varsity athletes. Why shouldn’t they be allowed to experience things that others can, in some way? The sad part is that most of these students who play varsity ball will never be able to experience a semester abroad in a foreign country, because of their commitment to athletics. That means their odds at learning a foreign language and having a significant cultural experience during college are greatly reduced.
This trip should be at least a month long, and allow these student athletes an immersion experience that others can get by taking a simple elective. They should get several intense weeks of instruction in Italian and study abroad, working with an Italian team. That would be far more meaningful, and real.
Perhaps Williams could offer foreign training programs and combined education in such a way, for winter study? A one time offer for all student athletes?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:17 am
…. To give my perspective on this thread a little personal background, I was a D1 Varsity Wrestler in College, who took a senior semester abroad.
It was the best choice I made in College. However, had a program that offered study abroad with sports existed, it would have made me, and others I participated with, better student athletes. Athletics and academic learning should not be mutually exclusive.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:36 am
The tip program both permits and limits acceptance of a number of student athletes whose SAT scores are a certain amount below a certain standard.
Do you think Williams would have this program if Williams could attract top student athletes without the program?
If your answer is no, how can you be anti-tip and pro-athletics?
July 9th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Someone told me that NESCAC does not allow its members to contribute to post-season overseas travel (other than regular annualized expenditures such as coaches’ salaries and insurance). This was said with respect to crew. Division 1 seems to have a limitation on the number of times a team can compete overseas post-season (once very two or four years?), but NESCAC does not seem to have such a rule, as the Trinity men have gone to the Henley frequently.
I would imagine that the rules for pre-season or early season travel might be different than those for post-season competition, but I have no idea what the details are.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
PTC -
You are right: varsity athletes give up so much. I agree that the trips can help to level the playing field just a bit by giving them a taste of what their classmates can get much ore easily. I wonder what happens to athletes who need to do an internship, course, job or graduate school exam prep — do you suppose they have to give those up in order to travel pre-season and be able to stay on the team? Maybe a college summer is long enough for both. I hope so.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
I think it depends on the job or internship Larry. Most have a week or two of flex for various reasons (and sports practices don’t seem to be more than the week or two before classes start).
It is a trade off. If you want to play varsity athletics, you give up some other opportunities. If you want to do dance or be in one of the musical groups, you give up the time spent doing that. We all had priorities at Williams and made choices accordingly. I gave up a semester abroad to be a JA. Despite how difficult that year was for me (very very), I wouldn’t trade it for the world. I do look back and wish I’d found some other way to go abroad, but I made my choice. A structural improvement for cases like mine: someone specifically mentioning to JAs that they could take a sememster as a senior - a form, support, even acknowledgment would be a step in the right direction.
So while I agree that athletes make “sacrifices,” they are not alone. It is about choices and priorities. There is no way to take advantage of every amazing opportunity at Williams - there are too many. My hope is that we (er, Williams as a whole) do our best so that students can experience as much as possible.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
JG-
Except that you were not accepted to Williams in order to be a JA. Tips are accepted with the understanding that they will compete in their sport and support the school that accepted them for that ability for four years. Their choice is much harder than yours was. It is not a free choice, really.
I suppose they could leave the team and piss off the coach and their teammates like I did, to do something more, but that is an awful trade off. It was by far the best thing I did academically and socially my entire time in College. But it was hard to do. Student athletes should not be put in such a position. Not when Williams has the resources to facilitate both.
How psyched do you think the head coach would be to lose one of his Tips (star players) to a semester abroad? It is a different level of pressure and responsibility to your leaders and peers.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Go abroad winter study, or if you play a single semester sport, go abroad the other semester. I know a couple of cross-country runners (good ones) going abroad in the spring term. If you play a sport that plays (or trains) fall, winter, AND spring, and you absolutely can’t spend any time off, well then you have your priorities and you made them.
To summarize, this is what I have to say to athletic tips with team commitments that want to have their cake and eat it too.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I’m sure there are a number of tips every year who decide not to play their sport. That’s just the nature of Div 3 sports. It would be interesting to know how often this happens, but it certainly does happen and coaches expect it.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Fyi, I have learned (from a source I will not disclose) that the individual basketball members of the team are each paying their own way for this trip. To the extent that there are players who are unable to afford the trip, the team holds fundraisers which defray these costs, and to the extent that the fundraisers do not cover the cost, other parents have contributed to any shortfall. I believe this also covers the costs for any assistant coaches going on the trip.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
I know a handful of folks who were athletes and decided to stop playing after the first year or second year for a variety of reasons. I don’t know if they were tipped or not - it’s not common knowledge, although they and their teammates may have known. Williams doesn’t accept people “only” to play a sport, even if that gets them in the door.
There are all kinds of students at Williams who, while not “tipped” per se, know that part of why they were accepted was a singular focus on a particular subject matter or their talent on a musical instrument or something. They may also face a decision later about doing that in the future, etc. The conflict is more about one’s personal identity and self awareness, although there may be pressure from others.
But I digress, I wrote what I hoped was a comment respecting the sacrifices that athletes legitimately make, but trying to place it in context. I value the work that athletes put in, as I played softball in high school but decided I didn’t want to play in college after my brother’s awful experiences. But I also value the myriad other talents and skills that students have and bring to Williams.
I just don’t think athletes have any harder of a decision than other students. Sorry. To say they don’t have free choice is honestly ridiculous, unless I missed the day where someone put a gun to their head and said “play field hockey or else.” Or is there a super-secret contract signed by athletes when they enter Williams that no one talks about? I know that every young college student feels pressure, but decisions that don’t involve a sport are hard, too. As an eighteen or nineteen year-old, every decision you make seems like the hardest one ever. From your personal experience, it seems that the decision to stop playing your sport was difficult for you. I get that. But others have a different frame of reference - it doesn’t make their choice easier, just different.
And I just have to add that I assume you weren’t a JA because if you were you’d know that nothing in the vicinity of it was ever easy. Thanks for disrespecting my choices though. Perhaps if I’d chosen being a JA over playing a sport you would think it matters?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
I think PTC was trying to celebrate that some athletes have the opportunity to go overseas.
One of the toughest things about college is making choices that clearly close lot of doors and may not open the door one is hoping to open (the JA choice of no junior semester away, a great loss of privacy, difficulties even in getting away, no carefree days or nights, using a lot of time that could have gone into a lot of other pursuits vs. successfully launching a group of younger students, for example). It can be so wrenching….
July 9th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
I’m not exactly sure how it works with an athlete who was definitely tipped, but I do know of a couple of students accepted at Div III schools with an ‘understanding’ (with the coach) that they would play, but then chose not to, once they arrived at the school.
One confided that the coach was very unhappy with her decision. (I can only imagine how difficult that would be for the coach…to think a position is filled…and to then lose that athlete.)
I also know of another athlete (at Williams) who verified with a coach that Semester Abroad was still an option for her, before committing to her acceptance.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
BTW, Has anyone heard if class ‘10 nerd is okay? I heard he was pretty upset when some big brute stole his pony.
;-)
July 9th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
An interested booster or parent can’t even buy a Div I athlete a ham sandwich, let alone pay for a trip to Europe.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Soph mom- I was thinking about the 97 lb weakling charles atlas ad myself.
JG-
I was not trying to disrespect your choice. My attempt, perhaps sloppy, was to point out that your choice was a “choice” and did not involve the same level of pressure that a recruited athlete would feel to remain on a team.
I have a really hard time believing that the football coach at Williams would not be pissed off if an All American player who he personally recruited and tipped skipped out on his program to go study in Spain. Especially if there was financial aid involved.
I am also assuming that the JA position is not a four year commitment?
I still believe that the players can and should have everything the school has to offer.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
Jeff Z- You must be joking. Making these young men beg for money to get an educational experience seems a little odd for a school with billions of dollars and a big focus on athletics. The school expects these student athletes to play, and win… and hold a bake sale in order to have the opportunity to study in Italy? I am having a hard time believing that.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Is this an educational trip or a basketball tournament? I know there are things one learns from being abroad, meeting different people, etc. but if the primary purpose of the trip is to play the sport then they are not holding a bake sale to “study in Italy.” They are raising funds to take a bonding trip with their teammates and play basketball in an amazing place where they also happen to have access to a great cultural and learning experience.
By the way, I’ll also point out that you seem to be merging “varsity athlete” and “tipped athlete” who are not the same. Also, athletics is a 4 year commitment if you CHOOSE to make it one. You can stop playing a sport at any time. Williams doesn’t give admission or scholarships or whatnot contingent upon you staying on a team. It may not be an easy choice to quit a sport (in fact, I’d wager it is generally a very very difficult one), but having the football coach mad at you matters a helluva lot less if you’re not on the team anymore and thereby not interacting with him. I’m sorry, I don’t think playing a sport at Williams should be characterized as the big huge barely survivable burden. Kids play because they love it, because they choose to, etc. NO ONE forces them to do it.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
I would assume that you copying my joke and regurgitating it back at me would be slightly lame, but am I missing something?
Oh right. This must be part of your “There are no dumb people” agenda.
Are you missing the complete irony of your persistent jokes about how “some nerds [i.e. me] have no athletic ability”, yet insist that “everyone is equally smart” ?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
PTC and HWC, just passing on what I’ve heard. I really can’t say any more than what I have already. But given that this trip is outside of the academic calendar, PTC, I don’t see why the college should pay. If it did, that would set an extraordinarily dangerous precedent: why not fund a summer trip for the debate team to Oxford? A trip for the student symphony to Austria? A trip for Kusika to Africa? The list of equally “educational” (and enormously expensive) potential summer boondoggles is endless. I think the way it is being handled, if my understanding is correct, is perfectly appropriate. Basically, I agree with JG.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
I can speak from experience. I was a “varsity athlete” (of the dreaded “helmet sport” variety) and a “tipped athlete”, and a heavily recruited one at that.
PTC writes: “The sad part is that most of these students who play varsity ball will never be able to experience a semester abroad in a foreign country, because of their commitment to athletics. That means their odds at learning a foreign language and having a significant cultural experience during college are greatly reduced.”
Not true. During the recruiting process, the opportunity to study abroad was not only discussed, it was emphasized and encouraged. My sport was during one semester. There was absolutely no pressure to be on campus the other semester. I studied abroad my junior year, as did many of my teammates. It was a wonderful experience.
I suspect that the dilemma is more readily apparent in winter sports that span both semesters. To say “most… will never be able to experience…” is inaccurate on many levels. First of all, “most” do not play a winter sport. And “will never be able” is inaccurate because 1) there is nothing binding and 2) I know many winter athletes who studied abroad before or after their season at foreign schools with semesters that either began in the summer and ended before their sport, or began later in the spring after their sport was over and ran into the summer. That was their decision. Just as I knew numerous non-athletes who decided not to study abroad — for any reason or no reason at all. Again, that was their decision. More on decisions later.
PTC also writes: “I suppose they could leave the team and piss off the coach and their teammates like I did, to do something more, but that is an awful trade off. It was by far the best thing I did academically and socially my entire time in College. But it was hard to do. Student athletes should not be put in such a position. Not when Williams has the resources to facilitate both.”
A great life lesson is learning to honor a commitment. Presumably, it is of at least some value to honor a “commitment” (although non-binding) to play the sport for which you were recruited. And presumably, you chose not to honor that commitment. Life is also about making hard decisions. To claim that “student athletes should not be put in such a position” is to subscribe to the philoshophy that Ephs should be provided shelter in the “Purple Bubble” — surely the Eph who encounters such a situation and makes the hard decision (as you and JG did) is better for having done so once she graduates (something to which JG alluded — and you might also agree?). Safe to assume that the “real world” is filled with much harder decisions and will provide no such shelter.
There is something unique and pure about playing a sport at a DIII school, and Williams in particular. That Williams afforded me the opportunity to acquire an elite education while at the same time making available to me opportunities such as competing at a high level in a sport and studying abroad (among many, many other opportunities) is something for which I will always be grateful. Of course, there were so many more opportunities that I wish I had been able to take advantage of, but I made my decisions and consider myself fortunate — not deprived — to have attended a school that provided more opportunity than I could have ever possibly experienced in four (much too short) years.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:03 am
Arjun: you seem to have forgotten the first principle of maintaining multiple online identities. :-)
July 10th, 2008 at 1:48 am
Dear Arjun:
Thank you for understanding where we come from.
I take great pains in remaining anonymous to express what I understand as the bias in our school. Great opportunity but at a political expense. I cannot reveal for they would preclude me form future opportunities. Screw them and their BS.
I am also an athlete of distinction. But the SH I must put up with borders on insanity.
I will work towards our freedom from the swindle they put upon us.
Honor and Commitment.
Take care.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:01 am
Arjun…(em…class ‘10 nerd),
I liked your joke. I didn’t copy it, I was inspired by it.
And, I just happen to think that there is plenty of this and this for everyone at Williams…nerds, and athletes, (and everything in between) included.
And, I never said there are “no dumb people”. I said there are “no dumb people at Williams“.
I also never said that “everyone is equally smart”. That would be a dumb thing to say. And though I am sure I am dumber than you, I am not that dumb.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:38 am
Jared- You had a “great life lesson in learning to honor a commitment.” Good god. At the expense of what? Everything a place like Williams has to offer for an education? While working every summer, I would guess….Congratulations! Complete nonsense. You did more than walk through snow every winter to meet the school bus? Right?
My point is that you deserve the best. The fact that you did it without thinking that a bake sale for time abroad for you and your team would be a slap in the face… well… what can this townie say? I think it is a damn joke, if indeed, these student athletes had to pay for their trip to Italy. Why not make everyone pay who does anything abroad for the school then? Athletics, academics, arts… name it. Everyone pays.
Jared- Just say no! Just say no to student bake sales for athletes wishing to study in Italy. Get it? There is absolutely no reason why you or these young men playing basketball, or any other student athlete at Williams could not have had it all! The goal is education… not a “life lesson”. You’ll have plenty of time for that, along the way.
My point is, and remains, that schools should pay for such endeavors. Whether it is arts, education, or athletics. There is such a thing as common sense. This sets absolutely no “dangerous president”. Let me guess…. The college is going to go broke tomorrow because it may pay for too many educational trips abroad for its students? Rubbish!
Wasn’t there a female lacrosse team tha was barred by Williams from competing in the NCCA’s because of academics?
Well then… the focus should be academics. This is about a chance to get these young people to Italy.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:57 am
As I stated- This is about a chance to get these young people to Italy.
And not me or my townie ranting on this page. However… if you like to sell cookies… I’d be more than happy to send you to Italy with your teammates… hell; I’ll send the entire college…once you raise the money for the entire cost, of course!
Who paid for this trip, what did it cost, and how much did it burden the middle and lower income families of this team… lets stop dancing around it, shall we?
July 10th, 2008 at 9:25 am
PTC - I thought Jeff Z already mentioned what he was told about how the trip was paid for, is that in doubt?
If you think that all students should have every opportunity, funds be damned, why do club sports have to pay for everything themselves? How about before varsity teams get non-league, out of season, recreational trips to Italy, the rugby team (or WUFO or …) gets basic equipment and jerseys, oh and the nice free laundry service for uniforms and lockers provided in the Field House or gym? Perhaps transportation to any of their games?
You can jump in with how you agree that every little whim every “organized” group of Williams students wants should be funded, but I’ve never seen you or anyone else jump on Ephblog with a post about the travesty of not funding the Springstreeters spring tour to local colleges or the Rugby club’s spring break trip to Ireland (they play at least one game while they’re there).
The school is supposed to provide an education to every student. Williams provides a pretty fancy education with a lot of additional opportunities not found elsewhere. Playing on a sports team is educational, and is both a privilege and a burden, but the school doesn’t owe students anything extra for it. Student athletes get to continue to play their chosen sports at an elite (or somewhat elite) level. They get lockers and uniforms and equipment and coaching and the opportunity to travel around and play their favorite game and compete, and they get to represent their school before fans and spectators (some sports more than others obviously). They also work really hard for that privilege, giving up some things for the tremendous gains they also get. But I’d say they end up pretty even in the long run, if not considering themselves as having gotten more out of the experience than anything else done at Williams. I don’t think there needs to be a quid pro quo of you chose to play XYZ sport instead of studying abroad - here’s a free vacation to Italy as your consolation prize!
I was a high school athlete not good enough to play at the college level. I would have given quite a lot for the opportunity to play on the college team, but I didn’t have that privilege. Should I get a two week trip to a sports camp, paid for by Williams, to make up for my lost educational opportunity to learn about teambuilding and competition? Of course not, that’s absurd.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:22 am
JG-
The rugby team trip to Ireland should be funded in my opinion. The team should also be sanctioned and funded. There should be some sort of value metric on it however. Like, they should play a lot more than one game if they are going to travel that far. They should also have a lesson in the history and look around a bit. Breath the air. Extra per diem for beer of course. I am all for it.
I do not know enough about the springstreeters to comment? If it is a singing group that represents the school, and they have enough participation and history to warrant being sanctioned, then they too, should petition and then be funded.
I agree with David, if there is enough interest to have a JV lacrosse team, one should definitely exist. This is lacrosse we are talking about right? Perhaps one of the most signature elite prep sports people play, along with Crew? Hell yeah they should have a JV if Williams has the players to field a team. No Brainer.
You cannot hand everyone everything they desire, that is true. But this is not rocket science. It is common sense. If an academic, athletic, arts…etc. group warrants being recognized officially because of a long history of participation and continued interest… then it should absolutely be fully funded and sanctioned by the school.
How about a debate team? You all have one? If not, why not? That too, should be fully funded even if it does not currently exist. Another a no brainer.
We are not talking about a lot of money. Not for Williams.
I do wish someone more “in the know” would blog about the women’s lacrosse team that was stopped from playing in the Nationals fairly recently because of final exams. I ran into those ladies in the pub and they were very upset. Rightfully so. Exams can be re scheduled, Profs can make arrangements… national championship tournaments cannot. They lost a very meaningful experience for nothing. I guess the President at that time felt like he needed to make a statement about athletics and academics. Still, one has to wonder, had it been the men’s hockey team…
July 10th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
PTC, that was over a decade ago and it was a matter of NESCAC policy. The NESCAC policy has since changed so that now teams can participate in the post season even if it conflicts with exams.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Oh, and even Williams has budgetary constraints, it can’t fund EVERYTHING. At some point it is a zero sum game. So, all of what you are talking about can certainly be funded — but then Williams would have to reinstitute loans instead of grants. Do you think that is a smart trade off?
July 10th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
PTC: figure half of all students are on some sort of sports team, and another (overlapping) half participate in other activities (debate, music/dance/theatre groups, etc.) that could reasonably claim to have a tradition of representing the school. If the college funds trips for all of them, that’s about 2000 person-trips per year. If the average cost per person-trip is $2000 (consistent with what I’ve seen quoted for various groups), then the total cost would be $4 million per year.
Williams could conceivably come up with that money, but it’s not a small amount. The same amount could hire 30 new professors, provide full-tuition scholarships to a hundred kids from poor families, give all ~700 staff employees a $5000 raise, or build a new Jiminy-Peak style 1.5MW wind turbine (yearly, so after three or four years the college would be powered entirely by wind). This is serious stuff. If the college were to take the steps necessary to find $4 million per year - raising tuition, increasing endowment spending, cutting other programs, whatever - there are a lot of places I think they would put it before deciding to fund free trips for student groups.
Also, for what it’s worth, I don’t think it’s common for kids to miss out on a trip for financial reasons. If the richer parents on the team can’t or won’t cover the difference, and there’s no other way to come up with the money, I think a coach could go to the financial aid office and get them to help out. They’re usually pretty good about that sort of stuff, or so I hear.
(unfortunately my family has just enough money to be on the other side of the “people the financial aid office cares about” line, but not enough to actually be rich :-( )
July 10th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Jeff Z- Well they were very, very angry, and the ones I spoke with blamed the administration.
Policy can and should be broken in certain cases, especially really stupid policy. What did Williams risk if they supported these young women in their quest for a National Title?