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		<title>By: Current Market Events &#187; EphBlog</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2008/09/14/death-of-a-bank/#comment-35328</link>
		<dc:creator>Current Market Events &#187; EphBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about my thoughts on current market events? Read below.  PTC asks  How bad do you think this is going to get [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David R</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2008/09/14/death-of-a-bank/#comment-35019</link>
		<dc:creator>David R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I would asppreciate a good post from an Eph Economist on the state of our economy, and the reasons we are seeing so many banks go under.
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See David&#039;s response above for an assessment on the economy. As to the second part of your question: long story short, banks depend on borrowed funds to keep things going swimmingly.   

In the case of commercial banks, most of these funds come from customer deposits. Commercial banks will also depend on borrowing money through short-term lending, but worst-case, they have customer deposits to fall back on. They simply stop lending money and effect &quot;lend&quot; money to themselves. 

In the case of investment banks with no customer deposits (not in the traditional &quot;bank&quot; sense anyway), these parties depend on their creditworthiness and market confidence to continue borrowing short-term funds to fund longer-term investments. Hence the rub. 

If customers make a run on a commercial bank, which we&#039;ve certainly seen, then they&#039;re basically SOL. If markets cease buying an investment bank&#039;s debt, it&#039;s basically SOL. That&#039;s what we saw with Bear Stearns, except Uncle Sam stepped in and risked taxpayer dollars to keep it from Chapter 11. Lehman was not quite as lucky, as the government refused to back any deals to buy up Lehman.</description>
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I would asppreciate a good post from an Eph Economist on the state of our economy, and the reasons we are seeing so many banks go under.
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<p>See David&#8217;s response above for an assessment on the economy. As to the second part of your question: long story short, banks depend on borrowed funds to keep things going swimmingly.   </p>
<p>In the case of commercial banks, most of these funds come from customer deposits. Commercial banks will also depend on borrowing money through short-term lending, but worst-case, they have customer deposits to fall back on. They simply stop lending money and effect &#8220;lend&#8221; money to themselves. </p>
<p>In the case of investment banks with no customer deposits (not in the traditional &#8220;bank&#8221; sense anyway), these parties depend on their creditworthiness and market confidence to continue borrowing short-term funds to fund longer-term investments. Hence the rub. </p>
<p>If customers make a run on a commercial bank, which we&#8217;ve certainly seen, then they&#8217;re basically SOL. If markets cease buying an investment bank&#8217;s debt, it&#8217;s basically SOL. That&#8217;s what we saw with Bear Stearns, except Uncle Sam stepped in and risked taxpayer dollars to keep it from Chapter 11. Lehman was not quite as lucky, as the government refused to back any deals to buy up Lehman.</p>
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		<title>By: AC '98</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2008/09/14/death-of-a-bank/#comment-34993</link>
		<dc:creator>AC '98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating post, but I have a minor quibble: I don&#039;t think everybody at Lehman will lose their jobs, at least right away.

Lehman filed for Chapter 11, which allows it to continue its operations. If Lehman had filed for Chapter 7, then it would shut its doors and cease business operations.

No doubt there will be significant layoffs, but there will be quite a few left behind, at least in the short run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating post, but I have a minor quibble: I don&#8217;t think everybody at Lehman will lose their jobs, at least right away.</p>
<p>Lehman filed for Chapter 11, which allows it to continue its operations. If Lehman had filed for Chapter 7, then it would shut its doors and cease business operations.</p>
<p>No doubt there will be significant layoffs, but there will be quite a few left behind, at least in the short run.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronit</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2008/09/14/death-of-a-bank/#comment-34978</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://wonkette.com/402770/how-to-blame-bushmccain-for-your-new-great-depression&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ken Layne&lt;/a&gt; answers PTC&#039;s question in typically brilliant fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://wonkette.com/402770/how-to-blame-bushmccain-for-your-new-great-depression" rel="nofollow">Ken Layne</a> answers PTC&#8217;s question in typically brilliant fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: David Kane</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Great post! Thanks to Ronit. Also, I second the recommendation of &lt;i&gt;The House of Morgan&lt;/i&gt;.

2) As to PTC question, we are in a recession. How bad will it be and how long will it last? I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Great post! Thanks to Ronit. Also, I second the recommendation of <i>The House of Morgan</i>.</p>
<p>2) As to PTC question, we are in a recession. How bad will it be and how long will it last? I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Thank you, Ronit - for a break from the tedious and mind-numbing dissections on other threads &#8230; &#187; EphBlog</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2008/09/14/death-of-a-bank/#comment-34933</link>
		<dc:creator>Thank you, Ronit - for a break from the tedious and mind-numbing dissections on other threads &#8230; &#187; EphBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ronit on Lehman Bros.     &#160;   &#171; Eph Pundit: Advice For Obama &#124;   &#160; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: azj '04</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2008/09/14/death-of-a-bank/#comment-34930</link>
		<dc:creator>azj '04</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting Lehman Tidbit...

It seems that FDR was somewhat unwilling to run for NY Governor in 1928 largely due to his interests/investment in Warm Springs. It was only after strong appeals from the Dem. Party and Lehman himself agreeing to serve as Lt. Gov. (and shoulder most of the burden of governing) that FDR agreed.

It&#039;s clear that FDR planned to run eventually, but it&#039;s not clear when or how successful he&#039;d have been if he waited. So if you like the New Deal, you can, in a sense, thank an Eph for that too.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://ia311508.us.archive.org/1/items/heberthlehmanand006301mbp/heberthlehmanand006301mbp_djvu.txt&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Source. See pg. 104/105&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting Lehman Tidbit&#8230;</p>
<p>It seems that FDR was somewhat unwilling to run for NY Governor in 1928 largely due to his interests/investment in Warm Springs. It was only after strong appeals from the Dem. Party and Lehman himself agreeing to serve as Lt. Gov. (and shoulder most of the burden of governing) that FDR agreed.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear that FDR planned to run eventually, but it&#8217;s not clear when or how successful he&#8217;d have been if he waited. So if you like the New Deal, you can, in a sense, thank an Eph for that too.</p>
<p><a href="http://ia311508.us.archive.org/1/items/heberthlehmanand006301mbp/heberthlehmanand006301mbp_djvu.txt" rel="nofollow">Source. See pg. 104/105</a></p>
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		<title>By: PTC</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How bad do you think this is going to get David? 

 I would asppreciate a good post from an Eph Economist on the state of our economy, and the reasons we are seeing so many banks go under.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How bad do you think this is going to get David? </p>
<p> I would asppreciate a good post from an Eph Economist on the state of our economy, and the reasons we are seeing so many banks go under.</p>
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		<title>By: larry george</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2008/09/14/death-of-a-bank/#comment-34884</link>
		<dc:creator>larry george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this post, Ronit. 

I was thinking of Lehman Hall recently, after seeing it in a photograph taken looking through one of the new buildings -- such an appealing, human-scaled structure. I am glad that it was not taken down in the new construction zeal.

And in the midst of all the fiddling while Rome burns that&#039;s going on in some of the other threads, how refreshing to read of admirable Gov. Lehman -- an authentic leader and someone ready and able to serve in so many capacities.

Mostly my thoughts are with those who must deal with devastation this morning, on Wall Street, Main Street, and the Gulf. May we be blessed with wise and capable leaders who can help us to get through what lies ahead and regain so much that is lost or lies in peril.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post, Ronit. </p>
<p>I was thinking of Lehman Hall recently, after seeing it in a photograph taken looking through one of the new buildings &#8212; such an appealing, human-scaled structure. I am glad that it was not taken down in the new construction zeal.</p>
<p>And in the midst of all the fiddling while Rome burns that&#8217;s going on in some of the other threads, how refreshing to read of admirable Gov. Lehman &#8212; an authentic leader and someone ready and able to serve in so many capacities.</p>
<p>Mostly my thoughts are with those who must deal with devastation this morning, on Wall Street, Main Street, and the Gulf. May we be blessed with wise and capable leaders who can help us to get through what lies ahead and regain so much that is lost or lies in peril.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Thomas '93</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Thomas '93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 05:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thanks as well,  Ronit.  My prayers are that the Merrill deal holds and the crisis does not spread.  Not yet.</description>
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		<title>By: Ronit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e5f99648-8285-11dd-a019-000077b07658.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;good article&lt;/a&gt; on the man who has been at the center of Lehman Brothers for the last quarter century. It seems like his loyalty to the firm proved to be the firm&#039;s undoing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e5f99648-8285-11dd-a019-000077b07658.html" rel="nofollow">good article</a> on the man who has been at the center of Lehman Brothers for the last quarter century. It seems like his loyalty to the firm proved to be the firm&#8217;s undoing.</p>
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		<title>By: Soph Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2008/09/14/death-of-a-bank/#comment-34873</link>
		<dc:creator>Soph Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 10 and 12:

As if one Broadband comment isn&#039;t enough.</description>
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<p>As if one Broadband comment isn&#8217;t enough.</p>
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		<title>By: David Broadband</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Broadband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, a vocal critic of McCarthyism, the only voice against communism, liberalism, downright anti-sovereignty, a no good aparatchnick of the FED.

The beginning of the end of these psychopaths that bleed our country.

We need reorganization of our financial predators.

Sic Transit Gloria Mundi, for the country, for country first is what we demand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, a vocal critic of McCarthyism, the only voice against communism, liberalism, downright anti-sovereignty, a no good aparatchnick of the FED.</p>
<p>The beginning of the end of these psychopaths that bleed our country.</p>
<p>We need reorganization of our financial predators.</p>
<p>Sic Transit Gloria Mundi, for the country, for country first is what we demand.</p>
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		<title>By: Soph Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soph Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An amazing post, Ronit.

 Much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An amazing post, Ronit.</p>
<p> Much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff S</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2008/09/14/death-of-a-bank/#comment-34851</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies to Ronit.</description>
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		<title>By: Dick Swart</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2008/09/14/death-of-a-bank/#comment-34846</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick Swart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronit,

Thank you for a great story on an American institution!

Unbelievable to think of them passing into a history they were so much a part of making.

Dick Swart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronit,</p>
<p>Thank you for a great story on an American institution!</p>
<p>Unbelievable to think of them passing into a history they were so much a part of making.</p>
<p>Dick Swart</p>
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		<title>By: Parent '12</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parent '12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Ronit-  

Lovely tribute for a remarkable man &amp; family.</description>
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<p>Lovely tribute for a remarkable man &amp; family.</p>
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		<title>By: frank uible</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank uible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many employees benightedly try to establish a human emotional relationship with their corporate employers, the employees&#039; ownership (with little or no reservation) of stock in the employer being, in their way of thinking, a sort of comforting affirmation of organizational family - the more stock held the greater the affirmation. Of course employers tend to encourage (subtlely or not so subtlely) this attitude by their employees since, among other things, it tends to buoy the price of the stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many employees benightedly try to establish a human emotional relationship with their corporate employers, the employees&#8217; ownership (with little or no reservation) of stock in the employer being, in their way of thinking, a sort of comforting affirmation of organizational family &#8211; the more stock held the greater the affirmation. Of course employers tend to encourage (subtlely or not so subtlely) this attitude by their employees since, among other things, it tends to buoy the price of the stock.</p>
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		<title>By: Jocelyn Shadforth '88</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2008/09/14/death-of-a-bank/#comment-34835</link>
		<dc:creator>Jocelyn Shadforth '88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herbert H. Lehman&#039;s name is also attached to a modest grant-loan swap program intended to recognize campus leaders. I point this out reluctantly, because I was, much to my surprise, awarded one of these grants my senior year.  In addition to the reduction in one&#039;s loan obligation, recipients also received a copy of Lehman&#039;s biography.  I read mine at some point over the past 20 years and then placed it on the upper shelves of my office &quot;wall of books.&quot; Funnily enough, that&#039;s one of the books that gets pulled out and commented on somewhat regularly by office visitors.  I&#039;ve always been proud to share an alma mater with such an illustrious figure.  It is likely small consolation for those losing their jobs and/or nest eggs, but I&#039;m glad Lehman&#039;s name lives on in so many other ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herbert H. Lehman&#8217;s name is also attached to a modest grant-loan swap program intended to recognize campus leaders. I point this out reluctantly, because I was, much to my surprise, awarded one of these grants my senior year.  In addition to the reduction in one&#8217;s loan obligation, recipients also received a copy of Lehman&#8217;s biography.  I read mine at some point over the past 20 years and then placed it on the upper shelves of my office &#8220;wall of books.&#8221; Funnily enough, that&#8217;s one of the books that gets pulled out and commented on somewhat regularly by office visitors.  I&#8217;ve always been proud to share an alma mater with such an illustrious figure.  It is likely small consolation for those losing their jobs and/or nest eggs, but I&#8217;m glad Lehman&#8217;s name lives on in so many other ways.</p>
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		<title>By: ronit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;re you calling &#039;David&#039;, buddy? :)</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David -

A really terrific post.  Thank you.</description>
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<p>A really terrific post.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: eph</title>
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		<dc:creator>eph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I interned there after my junior year (luckily, I did not take the full time job offer). What was amazing to me at the time was the fact that a lot of the people I was working with had such a big percentage of their savings in LEH stock (and I am not talking about the people high up, but rather about the lowly associates and the like). You would think that people working in finance would know better. Dick Fuld and the management really wanted to create some kind of &quot;ownership culture.&quot; Why did so much people went along is beyond me. This should be a lesson: if you work in finance, you should really hedge and put your savings into oil company stocks and the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I interned there after my junior year (luckily, I did not take the full time job offer). What was amazing to me at the time was the fact that a lot of the people I was working with had such a big percentage of their savings in LEH stock (and I am not talking about the people high up, but rather about the lowly associates and the like). You would think that people working in finance would know better. Dick Fuld and the management really wanted to create some kind of &#8220;ownership culture.&#8221; Why did so much people went along is beyond me. This should be a lesson: if you work in finance, you should really hedge and put your savings into oil company stocks and the like.</p>
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		<title>By: frank uible</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2008/09/14/death-of-a-bank/#comment-34819</link>
		<dc:creator>frank uible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.</p>
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