Comments on: Eph Rhodes Scholars http://www.ephblog.com/2009/11/21/eph-rhodes-scholars/ All Things Eph Sun, 01 Aug 2010 03:56:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Will Slack '11 http://www.ephblog.com/2009/11/21/eph-rhodes-scholars/#comment-76405 Will Slack '11 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:49:12 +0000 http://www.ephblog.com/?p=25063#comment-76405 @<a href="#comment-76177" rel="nofollow">David</a>: Re: 3 - Bait bait bait bait bait. @David: Re: 3 – Bait bait bait bait bait.

]]> By: JG http://www.ephblog.com/2009/11/21/eph-rhodes-scholars/#comment-76404 JG Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:45:09 +0000 http://www.ephblog.com/?p=25063#comment-76404 Williams counts at least one Canadian that I knew. And the list at Sports Info only claims to be varsity athletes, not a comprehensive list. Williams counts at least one Canadian that I knew. And the list at Sports Info only claims to be varsity athletes, not a comprehensive list.

]]> By: hwc http://www.ephblog.com/2009/11/21/eph-rhodes-scholars/#comment-76352 hwc Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:53:39 +0000 http://www.ephblog.com/?p=25063#comment-76352 David: The database search engine you linked is only for US winners of the Rhodes Scholarship. It does not provide a complete tally of Rhodes Scholars for a college that had international winners. For example, Swarthmore counts a Canadian citizen and a Zimbabwe citizen among its seven Rhodes winners since 2000. As an interesting tangent related to a different EphBlog discussion, I see that one of this year's winners majored in Education. David:

The database search engine you linked is only for US winners of the Rhodes Scholarship. It does not provide a complete tally of Rhodes Scholars for a college that had international winners. For example, Swarthmore counts a Canadian citizen and a Zimbabwe citizen among its seven Rhodes winners since 2000.

As an interesting tangent related to a different EphBlog discussion, I see that one of this year’s winners majored in Education.

]]> By: Derek http://www.ephblog.com/2009/11/21/eph-rhodes-scholars/#comment-76193 Derek Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:47:51 +0000 http://www.ephblog.com/?p=25063#comment-76193 David-- But Cecil John Rhodes was an intellectual lightweight with almost no interest in intellectual life but a huge interest in securing his own legacy. I'm not convinced his ideal is necessarily the end all and be all. My understanding of Rhodes Scholarships, which I was never even within sniffing distance of being able to consider thinking about applying for by the way, is that they are to go to the sort of well-rounded ideal, and that physical vigor was supposed to be a constituent part, but that standard has always been pretty broadly considered. Interestingly, perhaps, Rhodes Scholars tend to have a terrible reputation at Oxford. Most of the folks there see a bunch of smart Americans looking to have fun in the UK for a couple of years, and most do not see it as a serious academic program. That said, I would imagine there is a lot of sour grapes involved -- Oxford is legitimately one of the world's great universities, and yet its most famous program (by far probably) is related to a bunch of damned Americans. To that I say: ha ha! dcat David–
But Cecil John Rhodes was an intellectual lightweight with almost no interest in intellectual life but a huge interest in securing his own legacy. I’m not convinced his ideal is necessarily the end all and be all.
My understanding of Rhodes Scholarships, which I was never even within sniffing distance of being able to consider thinking about applying for by the way, is that they are to go to the sort of well-rounded ideal, and that physical vigor was supposed to be a constituent part, but that standard has always been pretty broadly considered.
Interestingly, perhaps, Rhodes Scholars tend to have a terrible reputation at Oxford. Most of the folks there see a bunch of smart Americans looking to have fun in the UK for a couple of years, and most do not see it as a serious academic program. That said, I would imagine there is a lot of sour grapes involved — Oxford is legitimately one of the world’s great universities, and yet its most famous program (by far probably) is related to a bunch of damned Americans. To that I say: ha ha!

dcat

]]> By: David http://www.ephblog.com/2009/11/21/eph-rhodes-scholars/#comment-76177 David Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:06:11 +0000 http://www.ephblog.com/?p=25063#comment-76177 The winners <a href="http://www.rhodesscholar.org/press" rel="nofollow">have been announced</a>. Alas, no Ephs. 1) When did the Rhodes folks stop caring about athletics? Back in the day, every (?) Rhodes winner played (well!) a sport in college. Now fewer than 1/2 do. 2) Some of the bios are . . . well . . . not what Cecil Rhodes probably had in mind. I would quote from them, but readers would probably assume that I was making stuff up. 3) Nice to see 3 winners from the military academies. All female. Why might that be? Random chance? The winners have been announced. Alas, no Ephs.

1) When did the Rhodes folks stop caring about athletics? Back in the day, every (?) Rhodes winner played (well!) a sport in college. Now fewer than 1/2 do.

2) Some of the bios are . . . well . . . not what Cecil Rhodes probably had in mind. I would quote from them, but readers would probably assume that I was making stuff up.

3) Nice to see 3 winners from the military academies. All female. Why might that be? Random chance?

]]> By: Derek http://www.ephblog.com/2009/11/21/eph-rhodes-scholars/#comment-76060 Derek Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:12:20 +0000 http://www.ephblog.com/?p=25063#comment-76060 Social Science 101, first meeting: "Correlation ain't causality. Any questions?" dcat Social Science 101, first meeting: “Correlation ain’t causality. Any questions?”

dcat

]]> By: Vermando '05 http://www.ephblog.com/2009/11/21/eph-rhodes-scholars/#comment-76058 Vermando '05 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:06:28 +0000 http://www.ephblog.com/?p=25063#comment-76058 <blockquote>Coincidence?</blockquote> Yes

Coincidence?

Yes

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