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		<title>By: Ken Thomas '93</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2009/12/02/ruddiman-64-on-climate-change/#comment-77921</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Thomas '93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;All the books that I have seen about the science and economics of global warming, including the two books under review, miss the main point. The main point is religious rather than scientific. There is a worldwide secular religion which we may call environmentalism, holding that we are stewards of the earth, that despoiling the planet with waste products of our luxurious living is a sin, and that the path of righteousness is to live as frugally as possible. The ethics of environmentalism are being taught to children in kindergartens, schools, and colleges all over the world.

Environmentalism has replaced socialism as the leading secular religion. And the ethics of environmentalism are fundamentally sound. Scientists and economists can agree with Buddhist monks and Christian activists that ruthless destruction of natural habitats is evil and careful preservation of birds and butterflies is good. The worldwide community of environmentalists—most of whom are not scientists—holds the moral high ground, and is guiding human societies toward a hopeful future. Environmentalism, as a religion of hope and respect for nature, is here to stay. This is a religion that we can all share, whether or not we believe that global warming is harmful.

Unfortunately, some members of the environmental movement have also adopted as an article of faith the belief that global warming is the greatest threat to the ecology of our planet. That is one reason why the arguments about global warming have become bitter and passionate. Much of the public has come to believe that anyone who is skeptical about the dangers of global warming is an enemy of the environment. The skeptics now have the difficult task of convincing the public that the opposite is true. Many of the skeptics are passionate environmentalists. They are horrified to see the obsession with global warming distracting public attention from what they see as more serious and more immediate dangers to the planet, including problems of nuclear weaponry, environmental degradation, and social injustice. Whether they turn out to be right or wrong, their arguments on these issues deserve to be heard.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21494</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>All the books that I have seen about the science and economics of global warming, including the two books under review, miss the main point. The main point is religious rather than scientific. There is a worldwide secular religion which we may call environmentalism, holding that we are stewards of the earth, that despoiling the planet with waste products of our luxurious living is a sin, and that the path of righteousness is to live as frugally as possible. The ethics of environmentalism are being taught to children in kindergartens, schools, and colleges all over the world.</p>
<p>Environmentalism has replaced socialism as the leading secular religion. And the ethics of environmentalism are fundamentally sound. Scientists and economists can agree with Buddhist monks and Christian activists that ruthless destruction of natural habitats is evil and careful preservation of birds and butterflies is good. The worldwide community of environmentalists—most of whom are not scientists—holds the moral high ground, and is guiding human societies toward a hopeful future. Environmentalism, as a religion of hope and respect for nature, is here to stay. This is a religion that we can all share, whether or not we believe that global warming is harmful.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, some members of the environmental movement have also adopted as an article of faith the belief that global warming is the greatest threat to the ecology of our planet. That is one reason why the arguments about global warming have become bitter and passionate. Much of the public has come to believe that anyone who is skeptical about the dangers of global warming is an enemy of the environment. The skeptics now have the difficult task of convincing the public that the opposite is true. Many of the skeptics are passionate environmentalists. They are horrified to see the obsession with global warming distracting public attention from what they see as more serious and more immediate dangers to the planet, including problems of nuclear weaponry, environmental degradation, and social injustice. Whether they turn out to be right or wrong, their arguments on these issues deserve to be heard.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21494" rel="nofollow">http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21494</a></p>
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		<title>By: kthomas</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2009/12/02/ruddiman-64-on-climate-change/#comment-77216</link>
		<dc:creator>kthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The notion that that we shouldn’t mess around with nature, he argues, has become the new opium of the masses and one of the most insidious and most conservative ideologies of our time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The notion that that we shouldn’t mess around with nature, he argues, has become the new opium of the masses and one of the most insidious and most conservative ideologies of our time.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: kthomas</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2009/12/02/ruddiman-64-on-climate-change/#comment-77212</link>
		<dc:creator>kthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Ms. Kolbert is certainly... snarky and low in evidence or argumentation.  (She could bother reading Dyson but,  well.)  (She could bother telling the horse shit story accurately,  but,  well,  that might undermine her conclusions).  (And,  of course,  the fact that Al Gore doesn&#039;t like something,  is strong evidence that it must be bad.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Ms. Kolbert is certainly&#8230; snarky and low in evidence or argumentation.  (She could bother reading Dyson but,  well.)  (She could bother telling the horse shit story accurately,  but,  well,  that might undermine her conclusions).  (And,  of course,  the fact that Al Gore doesn&#8217;t like something,  is strong evidence that it must be bad.)</p>
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		<title>By: '11</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2009/12/02/ruddiman-64-on-climate-change/#comment-77210</link>
		<dc:creator>'11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They live in Williamstown, and Kolbert is personal friends with some of the faculty in Environmental Studies. I think she&#039;s given a Log Lunch talk, and she&#039;s sometimes seen at Center for Environmental Studies events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They live in Williamstown, and Kolbert is personal friends with some of the faculty in Environmental Studies. I think she&#8217;s given a Log Lunch talk, and she&#8217;s sometimes seen at Center for Environmental Studies events.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffZ</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2009/12/02/ruddiman-64-on-climate-change/#comment-77126</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know about Kleiner and Kolbert.  I enjoy the Freakonomics guys and they highlight some really interesting research in both of their books (although, for anyone who has read Superfreakononmics, I am still very curious about the unrevealed banking variable that correlates with terrorist inclinations), but Kolbert eviscerated their environmental arguments.  Their basic point (boiled down a bit) is, well, let&#039;s not worry about screwing up the environment because eventually science will find a cheap, simple cure-all.  Of course, we could say the same thing about ANY short-sighted policy (why worry about endangered species because we&#039;ll be able to bio-engineer them!  why worry about debt because some new technological advance will lead to an economic boom!  why worry about health care when science will just cure every disease!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know about Kleiner and Kolbert.  I enjoy the Freakonomics guys and they highlight some really interesting research in both of their books (although, for anyone who has read Superfreakononmics, I am still very curious about the unrevealed banking variable that correlates with terrorist inclinations), but Kolbert eviscerated their environmental arguments.  Their basic point (boiled down a bit) is, well, let&#8217;s not worry about screwing up the environment because eventually science will find a cheap, simple cure-all.  Of course, we could say the same thing about ANY short-sighted policy (why worry about endangered species because we&#8217;ll be able to bio-engineer them!  why worry about debt because some new technological advance will lead to an economic boom!  why worry about health care when science will just cure every disease!).</p>
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		<title>By: Ronit</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2009/12/02/ruddiman-64-on-climate-change/#comment-77125</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://dc.actionfactories.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Morgan blogs here&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/principles/2009/12/on_scandalous_emails.php?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed:+scienceblogs/uncertainprinciples+(Uncertain+Principles)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chad Orzel&lt;/a&gt; weighs in on the stolen climate change data

&lt;a href=&quot;http://williamsgreenscene.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;An earnest effort&lt;/a&gt; by some current Williams students to encourage conservation

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.williams.edu/sustainability/2009/09/14/report-on-greenhouse-gas-emissions-in-fiscal-year-2009/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Williams Report on Greenhouse Gas Emissions in Fiscal Year 2009&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Summary: Greenhouse gas emissions in 2009 dropped 10% from 2008 levels to approximately 19,600 metric tonnes of CO2.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://dc.actionfactories.org/" rel="nofollow">Morgan blogs here</a></p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/principles/2009/12/on_scandalous_emails.php?utm_source=feedburner&#038;utm_medium=feed&#038;utm_campaign=Feed:+scienceblogs/uncertainprinciples+(Uncertain+Principles)" rel="nofollow">Chad Orzel</a> weighs in on the stolen climate change data</p>
<p><a href="http://williamsgreenscene.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">An earnest effort</a> by some current Williams students to encourage conservation</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.williams.edu/sustainability/2009/09/14/report-on-greenhouse-gas-emissions-in-fiscal-year-2009/" rel="nofollow">Williams Report on Greenhouse Gas Emissions in Fiscal Year 2009</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Summary: Greenhouse gas emissions in 2009 dropped 10% from 2008 levels to approximately 19,600 metric tonnes of CO2.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2009/12/02/ruddiman-64-on-climate-change/#comment-77123</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;1) What other Ephs are prominently involved in the science and politics of climate change?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There&#039;s always &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ephblog.com/2009/09/24/naked-fraud/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Morgan Goodwin&lt;/a&gt; &#039;08 ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>1) What other Ephs are prominently involved in the science and politics of climate change?</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s always <a href="http://www.ephblog.com/2009/09/24/naked-fraud/" rel="nofollow">Morgan Goodwin</a> &#8217;08 &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ronit</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2009/12/02/ruddiman-64-on-climate-change/#comment-77122</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-77115&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PareskyLawnBowler&lt;/a&gt;: I enjoyed that. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-77115" rel="nofollow">PareskyLawnBowler</a>: I enjoyed that. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: PareskyLawnBowler</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2009/12/02/ruddiman-64-on-climate-change/#comment-77115</link>
		<dc:creator>PareskyLawnBowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.williams.edu/English/people/faculty/JKleiner.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Kleiner&lt;/a&gt; is married to Elizabeth Kolbert. You might enjoy her &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2009/11/16/091116crbo_books_kolbert&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rebuttal to the Superfreakonomics Climate Change arguments.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.williams.edu/English/people/faculty/JKleiner.htm" rel="nofollow">John Kleiner</a> is married to Elizabeth Kolbert. You might enjoy her <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2009/11/16/091116crbo_books_kolbert" rel="nofollow">rebuttal to the Superfreakonomics Climate Change arguments.</a></p>
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		<title>By: LeftyEph</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2009/12/02/ruddiman-64-on-climate-change/#comment-77105</link>
		<dc:creator>LeftyEph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responding to 2) above, if Ruddiman&#039;s view gets a thumbs up from you then I guess you also agree that:
&lt;blockquote&gt;the suggestion that early farmers were causing climate change is not a sign that the modern world can stop worrying about it... [and] there is still a need to cap and reduce greenhouse gases, since modern smokestacks and tailpipes are pumping them out at a level that dwarfs anything from earlier eras.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to 2) above, if Ruddiman&#8217;s view gets a thumbs up from you then I guess you also agree that:</p>
<blockquote><p>the suggestion that early farmers were causing climate change is not a sign that the modern world can stop worrying about it&#8230; [and] there is still a need to cap and reduce greenhouse gases, since modern smokestacks and tailpipes are pumping them out at a level that dwarfs anything from earlier eras.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Glenn M. Heller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn M. Heller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What hogwash.
As though mankind has had ANY impact on Earthly climate EVER!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What hogwash.<br />
As though mankind has had ANY impact on Earthly climate EVER!</p>
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