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		<title>By: hwc</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2009/12/11/honorary-degreecommencement-speaker-for-11/#comment-78209</link>
		<dc:creator>hwc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...the College’s general consensus&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s an interesting turn of phrase. Where might one go to learn of this &quot;general concensus&quot;? Is there a general concensus committee? Do they publish a screed?

I&#039;m chuckling because there is anything but a &quot;general concensus&quot; even among the two Ephs in my household. There is certainly no &quot;general concensus&quot; among the Ephs on EphBlog. Or, even any discernable pattern of which Ephs agree with each other on a consistent range of issues.</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s an interesting turn of phrase. Where might one go to learn of this &#8220;general concensus&#8221;? Is there a general concensus committee? Do they publish a screed?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m chuckling because there is anything but a &#8220;general concensus&#8221; even among the two Ephs in my household. There is certainly no &#8220;general concensus&#8221; among the Ephs on EphBlog. Or, even any discernable pattern of which Ephs agree with each other on a consistent range of issues.</p>
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		<title>By: rory</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2009/12/11/honorary-degreecommencement-speaker-for-11/#comment-78204</link>
		<dc:creator>rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while the &quot;independent&quot; investigation by ACORN&#039;s hired lawyers was less than &quot;independent&quot;ly funded, it did find that the right-wing takedown was, perhaps unsurprisingly, &lt;a href=&#039;http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/acorn_report_finds_no_illegal_conduct.php&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  less than fully honest &lt;/a&gt;. The truth is always far more complex than we first believe. 

Either way, Rathke was very far removed from that particular scandal, yet it clouds any possible action with his name in the near future. 

I believe, though this might be my &quot;liberal bias&quot; getting in the way, that Rathke and Jackson are qualitatively different. Jackson&#039;s political actions go against the views of the College&#039;s general consensus. Rathke&#039;s political actions do not. It is, indeed, a slippery slope...but that should mean something, else we fall into a conundrum in which either all political leadership is to be praised regardless of the message/goal or none should be praised. Neither seems ideal nor acceptable to me. Yet I cannot find an acceptable middle ground either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while the &#8220;independent&#8221; investigation by ACORN&#8217;s hired lawyers was less than &#8220;independent&#8221;ly funded, it did find that the right-wing takedown was, perhaps unsurprisingly, <a href='http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/acorn_report_finds_no_illegal_conduct.php' rel="nofollow">  less than fully honest </a>. The truth is always far more complex than we first believe. </p>
<p>Either way, Rathke was very far removed from that particular scandal, yet it clouds any possible action with his name in the near future. </p>
<p>I believe, though this might be my &#8220;liberal bias&#8221; getting in the way, that Rathke and Jackson are qualitatively different. Jackson&#8217;s political actions go against the views of the College&#8217;s general consensus. Rathke&#8217;s political actions do not. It is, indeed, a slippery slope&#8230;but that should mean something, else we fall into a conundrum in which either all political leadership is to be praised regardless of the message/goal or none should be praised. Neither seems ideal nor acceptable to me. Yet I cannot find an acceptable middle ground either.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  I apologize for calling you an &quot;ass.&quot;  I haven&#039;t really given thought either way to Rathke as a Bicenntenial Medalist, although I am not sure he is even eligible as he only spent a year or so at Williams in any event.  I do, however, feel that he would be a polarizing, politicized choice as a commencement speaker, who would threaten to overwhelm the graduates&#039; big day and become THE story of the event instead of making the event about the students.  

I confess to not really knowing that much about Rathke. My general disagreement with you re: bicentennial medals is that I think you CAN take into account the value of the &quot;endeavor&quot; in assessing worth of someone&#039;s accomplishments.  The most accomplished cancer researcher is, to me, more worthy of a bicentennial award than the most accomplished cow bell player, just as the most accomplished police officer is more worthy than the most accomplished bank robber.  Despite being a liberal, I am not a moral relativist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  I apologize for calling you an &#8220;ass.&#8221;  I haven&#8217;t really given thought either way to Rathke as a Bicenntenial Medalist, although I am not sure he is even eligible as he only spent a year or so at Williams in any event.  I do, however, feel that he would be a polarizing, politicized choice as a commencement speaker, who would threaten to overwhelm the graduates&#8217; big day and become THE story of the event instead of making the event about the students.  </p>
<p>I confess to not really knowing that much about Rathke. My general disagreement with you re: bicentennial medals is that I think you CAN take into account the value of the &#8220;endeavor&#8221; in assessing worth of someone&#8217;s accomplishments.  The most accomplished cancer researcher is, to me, more worthy of a bicentennial award than the most accomplished cow bell player, just as the most accomplished police officer is more worthy than the most accomplished bank robber.  Despite being a liberal, I am not a moral relativist.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why doesn&#039;t Rathke deserve a Bicentennial Medal? (I am ready to believe that he would be a bad choice as a commencement speaker. I have never heard him speak.)

I apologize for assuming that you would not object to Rathke as a Bicentennial Medal winner. I confess now to total confusion over the criteria you would use in selecting BM winners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why doesn&#8217;t Rathke deserve a Bicentennial Medal? (I am ready to believe that he would be a bad choice as a commencement speaker. I have never heard him speak.)</p>
<p>I apologize for assuming that you would not object to Rathke as a Bicentennial Medal winner. I confess now to total confusion over the criteria you would use in selecting BM winners.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for being an ass David.  After all our discussion on point why do you state an outright lie?I think neither Rathke nor Jackson would be a good commencement speaker.  You think both would.  As is evidenced by your posting history you value confrontation over all other civic virtues.  I do not.  That is where our true distinction lies.  The point is that none of the liberal posters here have advocated for rathke.  If ideology was paramount to us as you continuously falsely claim we would have.  But stay classy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for being an ass David.  After all our discussion on point why do you state an outright lie?I think neither Rathke nor Jackson would be a good commencement speaker.  You think both would.  As is evidenced by your posting history you value confrontation over all other civic virtues.  I do not.  That is where our true distinction lies.  The point is that none of the liberal posters here have advocated for rathke.  If ideology was paramount to us as you continuously falsely claim we would have.  But stay classy.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. I should have just said: The Commencement Speaker should always be an Eph. (Indeed, I would have no problem with a commencement speaker who was, say, a beloved faculty member or a famous Eph parent. The key is that they have a direct connection to Williams.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. I should have just said: The Commencement Speaker should always be an Eph. (Indeed, I would have no problem with a commencement speaker who was, say, a beloved faculty member or a famous Eph parent. The key is that they have a direct connection to Williams.)</p>
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		<title>By: ephling</title>
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		<dc:creator>ephling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, that sounds fair. I just wondered how you squared wanting him to be a commencement speaker and then stating all commencement speakers should be Williams graduates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, that sounds fair. I just wondered how you squared wanting him to be a commencement speaker and then stating all commencement speakers should be Williams graduates?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think he graduated. But the College considers anyone who ever attended Williams an Eph, even if he did not graduate. We follow that convention at EphBlog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think he graduated. But the College considers anyone who ever attended Williams an Eph, even if he did not graduate. We follow that convention at EphBlog.</p>
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		<title>By: ephling</title>
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		<dc:creator>ephling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did he graduate? Wiki and his website says attended, normally code for did not graduate, from 1966-68.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did he graduate? Wiki and his website says attended, normally code for did not graduate, from 1966-68.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I nominated Wade Rathke &#039;71 for a Bicentennial Medal. Isn&#039;t it obvious that he has demonstrated &quot;distinguished achievement&quot; in the field of community organizing?

The difference between me and you is that I can put my ideological preferences to one side and consider the achievements of Williams graduates in a non-partisan fashion. You can not.

I also think that Rathke would make a great commencement speaker and would love to see Williams invite him but I am not sure that the relevant committee wants to get nominations from alumni. As far as I know, they do not, but corrections are welcome.

The Commencement Speaker should always be a Williams graduate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I nominated Wade Rathke &#8217;71 for a Bicentennial Medal. Isn&#8217;t it obvious that he has demonstrated &#8220;distinguished achievement&#8221; in the field of community organizing?</p>
<p>The difference between me and you is that I can put my ideological preferences to one side and consider the achievements of Williams graduates in a non-partisan fashion. You can not.</p>
<p>I also think that Rathke would make a great commencement speaker and would love to see Williams invite him but I am not sure that the relevant committee wants to get nominations from alumni. As far as I know, they do not, but corrections are welcome.</p>
<p>The Commencement Speaker should always be a Williams graduate.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffz</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s time we start advocating* for Wade Rathke of ACORN fame to be awarded a Bicentennial medal and be Commencement Speaker.  Can you imagine how vociferously Kane would have been complaining about the failure to invite to campus the conservative equivalent of Rathke, had he or she attended Williams for a spell?  

*in case it isn&#039;t clear from context, I don&#039;t REALLY want to see Rathke deliver a Commencement address, etc.  Although it might be fun to have him to campus to debate a conservative critic of ACORN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s time we start advocating* for Wade Rathke of ACORN fame to be awarded a Bicentennial medal and be Commencement Speaker.  Can you imagine how vociferously Kane would have been complaining about the failure to invite to campus the conservative equivalent of Rathke, had he or she attended Williams for a spell?  </p>
<p>*in case it isn&#8217;t clear from context, I don&#8217;t REALLY want to see Rathke deliver a Commencement address, etc.  Although it might be fun to have him to campus to debate a conservative critic of ACORN.</p>
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		<title>By: Jr. Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jr. Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-78183&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;kthomas&lt;/a&gt; says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I look at my reply, and imagine Brandi mocking it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Jr. Mom replies:

Yeah, that kind of stuff happens on a blog. In case you hadn&#039;t noticed... ;-)

...and especially when you give a so-so commencement address at a place like  Williams College. Can you imagine the response should &lt;strike&gt;Governor&lt;/strike&gt;...Sarah Palin take on that kind of challenge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-78183" rel="nofollow">kthomas</a> says:</p>
<blockquote><p>I look at my reply, and imagine Brandi mocking it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Jr. Mom replies:</p>
<p>Yeah, that kind of stuff happens on a blog. In case you hadn&#8217;t noticed&#8230; ;-)</p>
<p>&#8230;and especially when you give a so-so commencement address at a place like  Williams College. Can you imagine the response should <strike>Governor</strike>&#8230;Sarah Palin take on that kind of challenge?</p>
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		<title>By: kthomas</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-78172&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jr. Mom&lt;/a&gt; asks: &lt;blockquote&gt;Why is that so, and what does it mean?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I look at my reply,  and imagine Brandi mocking it.  

Seriously,  a short (boring) answer is that:
 --&gt; labour is portable under the Treaty of Rome,  so there are few reasons to work for less than EU market-rate;  and IT work is highly portable regardless
 --&gt; EU countries have (mostly) equalized cost for specialized labour;  there&#039;s plenty of capital in CR;  they may actually have to pay a premium
 --&gt; for this service,  the Euro is worth 50% more than the dollar

I&#039;ll attempt a shorter explanation,  with plot,  tomorrow (maybe).  (Likely it will get longer before it gets shorter).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-78172" rel="nofollow">Jr. Mom</a> asks:<br />
<blockquote>Why is that so, and what does it mean?</p></blockquote>
<p>I look at my reply,  and imagine Brandi mocking it.  </p>
<p>Seriously,  a short (boring) answer is that:<br />
 &#8211;> labour is portable under the Treaty of Rome,  so there are few reasons to work for less than EU market-rate;  and IT work is highly portable regardless<br />
 &#8211;> EU countries have (mostly) equalized cost for specialized labour;  there&#8217;s plenty of capital in CR;  they may actually have to pay a premium<br />
 &#8211;> for this service,  the Euro is worth 50% more than the dollar</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll attempt a shorter explanation,  with plot,  tomorrow (maybe).  (Likely it will get longer before it gets shorter).</p>
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		<title>By: Ronit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-78169&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;kthomas&lt;/a&gt;: I liked Brandi&#039;s comment in response to that:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m pretty sure our investment bankers have kicked the shit out of Indian investment bankers. Especially our Indian-American investment bankers, many of which were watching their kids graduate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is true. About the first-gen parents watching their second-gen kids graduate, who might have been a little offended by Couric&#039;s xenophobic comment. Not to mention the international students, like me. Our class speaker (Auyon Mukharji) is, I believe, a second-generation Indian-American, and was a helluva lot funnier and smarter than Couric. Maybe she should start worrying about foreign competition for her job.

(Tom Friedman, when he came to speak at Chapin Hall, made the exact same point with almost the exact same words - I bet Couric cribbed it from one of his columns - and he wasn&#039;t funny either.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-78169" rel="nofollow">kthomas</a>: I liked Brandi&#8217;s comment in response to that:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m pretty sure our investment bankers have kicked the shit out of Indian investment bankers. Especially our Indian-American investment bankers, many of which were watching their kids graduate.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is true. About the first-gen parents watching their second-gen kids graduate, who might have been a little offended by Couric&#8217;s xenophobic comment. Not to mention the international students, like me. Our class speaker (Auyon Mukharji) is, I believe, a second-generation Indian-American, and was a helluva lot funnier and smarter than Couric. Maybe she should start worrying about foreign competition for her job.</p>
<p>(Tom Friedman, when he came to speak at Chapin Hall, made the exact same point with almost the exact same words &#8211; I bet Couric cribbed it from one of his columns &#8211; and he wasn&#8217;t funny either.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ronit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can confirm that Brandi is in fact one of the funniest people in our class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can confirm that Brandi is in fact one of the funniest people in our class.</p>
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		<title>By: Jr. Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jr. Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-78169&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;kthomas&lt;/a&gt;: 

Um, just to be clear, that (@32) was from the other &quot;she&quot;. To which the &quot;funny she&quot; (Brandy), had a pretty clever response, IMO.

But really, Ken? A programmer can make more from the Czechs? Why is that so, and what does it mean?

(cross-posted! Established then, that Brandy is the clever one, nay?)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-78169" rel="nofollow">kthomas</a>: </p>
<p>Um, just to be clear, that (@32) was from the other &#8220;she&#8221;. To which the &#8220;funny she&#8221; (Brandy), had a pretty clever response, IMO.</p>
<p>But really, Ken? A programmer can make more from the Czechs? Why is that so, and what does it mean?</p>
<p>(cross-posted! Established then, that Brandy is the clever one, nay?)</p>
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		<title>By: kthomas</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katie I mean.  As for Brandi:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yeah, we tend to get rich without being famous, lest we show up on Ephblog.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Where do we nominate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katie I mean.  As for Brandi:</p>
<blockquote><p>Yeah, we tend to get rich without being famous, lest we show up on Ephblog.</p></blockquote>
<p>Where do we nominate?</p>
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		<title>By: kthomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>kthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The challenge is to beat the investment banker from Bangalore, the software programmer from Prague, the manufacturer in Manila.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow.  She is not funny.  She is not kidding.  And she&#039;s unaware that the Czechs now pay programmers more than the Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The challenge is to beat the investment banker from Bangalore, the software programmer from Prague, the manufacturer in Manila.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow.  She is not funny.  She is not kidding.  And she&#8217;s unaware that the Czechs now pay programmers more than the Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Jr. Mom</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-78121&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ronit&lt;/a&gt;: 

Wow. She&#039;s funny. (Brandi, I mean. ;@) 

I&#039;d like to hear her commencement address. I daresay it would shake a bit of dust out of the rafters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-78121" rel="nofollow">Ronit</a>: </p>
<p>Wow. She&#8217;s funny. (Brandi, I mean. ;@) </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hear her commencement address. I daresay it would shake a bit of dust out of the rafters.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 06:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-78143&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an &#039;06&lt;/a&gt;: As an onlooker, I found the Davis speech highly entertaining, though Evan Miller was certainly the highlight. And, let&#039;s be honest, no one&#039;s going to pay attention to any advice a commencement speaker provides anyway.

@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-78129&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JG&lt;/a&gt;: Too bad about Rubin being a bore. At least Williams has figured out how to deal with the rain - they now distribute thousands of purple ponchos (this happened in &#039;06).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-78143" rel="nofollow">an &#8217;06</a>: As an onlooker, I found the Davis speech highly entertaining, though Evan Miller was certainly the highlight. And, let&#8217;s be honest, no one&#8217;s going to pay attention to any advice a commencement speaker provides anyway.</p>
<p>@<a href="#comment-78129" rel="nofollow">JG</a>: Too bad about Rubin being a bore. At least Williams has figured out how to deal with the rain &#8211; they now distribute thousands of purple ponchos (this happened in &#8217;06).</p>
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		<title>By: an '06</title>
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		<dc:creator>an '06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Chuck Davis was absolutely terrible. And condescending. The only bits of advice he provided were crude abstinence references (i remember something similar to &quot;women keep your legs crossed&quot;). Compared to him Katie Couric was amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Chuck Davis was absolutely terrible. And condescending. The only bits of advice he provided were crude abstinence references (i remember something similar to &#8220;women keep your legs crossed&#8221;). Compared to him Katie Couric was amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-78119&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ronit&lt;/a&gt;: Agree that Rubin wasn&#039;t particularly political.  What he was actually was completely boring as a speaker.  And long.  Particularly long when two students had to hold umbrellas over his head and the rest of us were soaking in the rain, all after the hour-long lightning delay.  I can&#039;t remember a single word he said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-78119" rel="nofollow">Ronit</a>: Agree that Rubin wasn&#8217;t particularly political.  What he was actually was completely boring as a speaker.  And long.  Particularly long when two students had to hold umbrellas over his head and the rest of us were soaking in the rain, all after the hour-long lightning delay.  I can&#8217;t remember a single word he said.</p>
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		<title>By: kthomas</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-78125&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JeffZ&lt;/a&gt;:   There you go,  removing the bait from the hook.  What fun is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff@<a href="#comment-78125" rel="nofollow">JeffZ</a>:   There you go,  removing the bait from the hook.  What fun is that?</p>
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		<title>By: JeffZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really think so Ken?  He was generally considered a very moderate President ... I doubt many of Williams&#039; peers would have turned him down.  His son might be a dicier proposition ...  

By the way I saw his speech and thought he was very good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really think so Ken?  He was generally considered a very moderate President &#8230; I doubt many of Williams&#8217; peers would have turned him down.  His son might be a dicier proposition &#8230;  </p>
<p>By the way I saw his speech and thought he was very good.</p>
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		<title>By: kthomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>kthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bush was a former President, and not really a polarizing figure in all events, so he certainly didn’t qualify.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He was annoying.  When Bush spoke,  Damon Vangelis and I got thrown out of the basement of Jesup by his... security.  And they&#039;d closed Morgan.  You can&#039;t get much more annoying than that.

In any case,  by mentioning that GWB was not polarizing,  you&#039;ve said more about Williams&#039; so-called &quot;liberal&quot; bias than David possibly could.  No other liberal arts college would possibly have had him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bush was a former President, and not really a polarizing figure in all events, so he certainly didn’t qualify.</p></blockquote>
<p>He was annoying.  When Bush spoke,  Damon Vangelis and I got thrown out of the basement of Jesup by his&#8230; security.  And they&#8217;d closed Morgan.  You can&#8217;t get much more annoying than that.</p>
<p>In any case,  by mentioning that GWB was not polarizing,  you&#8217;ve said more about Williams&#8217; so-called &#8220;liberal&#8221; bias than David possibly could.  No other liberal arts college would possibly have had him.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck Davis in &#039;06 was surprisingly good in spite of the fact that he has no name recognition. He did a call-and-response routine with the audience and then made the whole senior class dance. I would support more figures from the arts like him. Much more interesting than the pablum you&#039;re likely to get from political/media figures.

How about Mayda del Valle &#039;00?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck Davis in &#8217;06 was surprisingly good in spite of the fact that he has no name recognition. He did a call-and-response routine with the audience and then made the whole senior class dance. I would support more figures from the arts like him. Much more interesting than the pablum you&#8217;re likely to get from political/media figures.</p>
<p>How about Mayda del Valle &#8217;00?</p>
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		<title>By: Ronit</title>
		<link>http://www.ephblog.com/2009/12/11/honorary-degreecommencement-speaker-for-11/#comment-78121</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the Katie Couric speech with commentary from Brandi &#039;07:

http://www.houseofprocrastination.org/2007/07/commencement-commentary-updated_6738.html

I hate to say this about anyone, but Couric was, quite possibly, worse than Friedman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the Katie Couric speech with commentary from Brandi &#8217;07:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.houseofprocrastination.org/2007/07/commencement-commentary-updated_6738.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.houseofprocrastination.org/2007/07/commencement-commentary-updated_6738.html</a></p>
<p>I hate to say this about anyone, but Couric was, quite possibly, worse than Friedman.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Ronit; generally, you&#039;d rather not have a speaker who is so utterly polarizing that he or she would completely distract from the graduates&#039; moment.  Bush was a former President, and not really a polarizing figure in all events, so he certainly didn&#039;t qualify.  And someone like Colbert and Stewart, while liberals, are humorists first and foremost, and would not make the speech about advancing their agendas, but rather about the graduates.  

Besides, if Katie Couric&#039;s speech was panned for being too fluffy / not up to snuff intellectually, why would you want someone whose own lack of erudition made Couric seem like a Rhodes Scholar by comparison?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Ronit; generally, you&#8217;d rather not have a speaker who is so utterly polarizing that he or she would completely distract from the graduates&#8217; moment.  Bush was a former President, and not really a polarizing figure in all events, so he certainly didn&#8217;t qualify.  And someone like Colbert and Stewart, while liberals, are humorists first and foremost, and would not make the speech about advancing their agendas, but rather about the graduates.  </p>
<p>Besides, if Katie Couric&#8217;s speech was panned for being too fluffy / not up to snuff intellectually, why would you want someone whose own lack of erudition made Couric seem like a Rhodes Scholar by comparison?</p>
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		<title>By: Ronit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush spoke in 1996. Williams also hasn&#039;t had a notable Democrat since 2000 (George Mitchell - former Senate majority leader). Yes, I know Robert Rubin spoke in 2001, but he&#039;s notable for reasons that have little to do with his party affiliation.

I think, on the whole, highly partisan figures like Rachel Maddow or Sarah Palin are best avoided at commencement, especially if they haven&#039;t held some notable high office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush spoke in 1996. Williams also hasn&#8217;t had a notable Democrat since 2000 (George Mitchell &#8211; former Senate majority leader). Yes, I know Robert Rubin spoke in 2001, but he&#8217;s notable for reasons that have little to do with his party affiliation.</p>
<p>I think, on the whole, highly partisan figures like Rachel Maddow or Sarah Palin are best avoided at commencement, especially if they haven&#8217;t held some notable high office.</p>
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		<title>By: kthomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>kthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David writes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“Imagine Williams had not had a green speaker for 20 years. In that case, I would push hard for a green speaker this year, no matter how much the kids love Maddow. The case of conservative speakers is analogous.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

There.  That&#039;s a little better.  Can anyone help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Imagine Williams had not had a green speaker for 20 years. In that case, I would push hard for a green speaker this year, no matter how much the kids love Maddow. The case of conservative speakers is analogous.” </p></blockquote>
<p>There.  That&#8217;s a little better.  Can anyone help?</p>
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